HIV/AIDS Showdown
- Who: Everyone
- What: Proof that AIDS isn’t caused by the HIV virus
- When: Tomorrow
- Where: Dean’s World
No RSVP necessary.
Anyone who reads Dean is aware that for a few weeks, he has been doing a lot of research into HIV and AIDS and talking with experts in the field (he’s been doing the research for some time, he’s only recently made it publicly known). There have been some interesting discussions on the matter, and I’ve read a few papers that really shocked me.
Did you know?:
- The HIV virus has never been isolated
- Because it hasn’t been isolated, there is no accurate test for it
- AIDS symptoms can be present in those who are HIV negative, and they often are
- AIDS symptoms can be absent in those who are HIV positive, and that is true of the vast majority of those who are HIV positive
- No one has ever proven that HIV causes AIDS
- The time between HIV infection and the onset of AIDS symptoms can be 2 years, 5 years, 20 years, or never
- Drugs to treat AIDS patients (notably, AZT) are dangerous, and often lethal
- The definition of AIDS has been “fixed” to only include those who are HIV positive, falsely making the AIDS:HIV ratio 1:1
Dean is claming that tomorrow, on his site, he will offer evidence of a “single damning demonstration” that will change everything you thought you knew about AIDS.
Mark my words: this story is going to blow wide open sooner or later. My gut says that by the end of this year, no one will be talking about AIDS the same way again. It’s not going to be pretty. There’s going to be screaming and yelling and finger pointing and denial. Congress may even get involved.
But HIV cannot be the cause of the AIDS epidemic.
Tomorrow, Dr. Bialy will show you why.
Dean Esmay: Coming Tomorrow: A Single Damning Demonstration
I’d like to say that Dean is placing a lot of faith in this demonstration, but I know him better than that. Dean doesn’t act on faith, he acts on reason. I’ve no doubt this is going to be big.
It is always good to have an open mind.
That said, the HIV-isn’t-caused-by-AIDS thing has been around for many years, and it’s populated almost entirely by people who are both completely insane and have an axe to grind. It’s like people who follow the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, and space aliens. Are there creatures out there? I think it’s quite likely. Have aliens visited humans? I have no idea. I could happen. But so many thousands of nutjobs have claimed to have been visited by space aliens that they’ve ruined it for everybody else.
I tell you this so that you can be aware of what you’re getting into. Is it possible that AIDS isn’t caused by HIV? Sure, it could happen. But anybody who walks around saying it will be judged by their fellow HIV/AIDS doubters, and be assumed to be insane. Me, I’ll wait for the National Institutes of Health to issue a report before I pretend to be an immunologist.
Eh, I’m not worried about people who use the “guilt-by-association” fallacy to discount my opinions. If they can offer me evidence that indicates AIDS is caused by HIV, fine. We have a difference of opinion. But if their method of thinking is “everyone knows that HIV causes AIDS, I don’t have to prove it,” they are useless to those who seek the truth of the matter.
This is different than Loch Ness or Bigfoot where you are relying on the word of one person. Many people have done research on HIV and AIDS, and continue to do so.
You say that it “could happen” that AIDS is not caused by HIV. Conversely, it could happen that AIDS is caused by HIV. There has been no absolute proof of either, so I’ll keep an open mind. The current attitude is, as you stated, that those who dissent and even those who keep an open mind are seen as insane. It’s sort of how the scientific community treated those who believed in the Big Bang Theory when it first came out (calling it an attempt to inject religion into the birth of the universe), or how people are treated now if they don’t believe in the Big Bang Theory.
And unfortunately, it looks like the NIH isn’t exactly open-minded either. They seem to be in bed with the drug companies that are making millions selling dangerous AIDS drugs.
Uhm. Really now. The Loch Ness Monster? Bigfoot?
Duesberg is a tenured professor and a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has recently received widespread acclaim for groundbreaking work in cancer research–and his latest paper on AIDS was published in a well-respected peer-reviewed journal. Bialy is a molecular biologist. Rasnick designed protease inhibitors (that’s what many of the AIDS treatment drugs are) for a living. Miklos is a very highly paid and respected scientific analyst. Others among these people include mathematicians, statisticians, and epidemiologists.
They may be wrong but fer chrissakes, let’s not stoop to cheap disparagement of their character.
Especially when those defending the HIV hypothesis are also very often people with a large financial stake in it. That doesn’t make them wrong either, but for goodness sakes….
Discussions on the Challenge
Our publication of the CDC numbers and the inferences we have drawn from them has sparked an enormous amount of commentary, most of it good and healthy. You can read responses from other bloggers
I didn’t disparage Duesberg. I’d never heard of the guy. My point remains — association with people who believe that there is no AIDS/HIV connection results in being perceived as insane by a sizable chunk of the public. I’ve known some pretty sane people who believe that President Bush is part of some huge international conspiracy to bring the United States down to its knees and take it over by military force, turning it into a fascist government. I guess it could happen, but you and I can agree that it sounds totally insane. Wisely, most of these folks keep their mouth shut, because they’d be thought to be totally nuts if they went around saying that. Same with the AIDS/HIV deniers.
You can say that you don’t like that. You can say that you wish it weren’t true. You can say that the lack of a connection between HIV and AIDS is real. All of these things may be altogether true, but that still won’t keep people from thinking you’re nuts if you go around saying that there’s no connection.
Ah. Well that’s not what you said the first time, since what you said then was that the people who question the HIV/AIDS hypothesis are “populated almost entirely by people who are both completely insane and have an axe to grind.” I’m sorry, you just disparaged a lot of people.
If what you’re saying is that most people are skeptical and don’t know what to think, that’s fine. Assuming the skeptics are nuts, however, is a cheap and careless assumption. Wrong? Perhaps. Nuts? No.
There is no requirement for there to be a grand conspiracy by the way. Just a few people with conflicts of interest, and a lot of terrible prejudice and misguided intentions.
This is all very nice, but, frankly, all that I’m trying to do here is keep Mark from looking like a lunatic. (He’s a big boy, and doesn’t need me playing that or any other role, but I don’t know when to keep my nose out of my relatives’ business.) I’d say the same thing if he were blogging about space aliens. I’d say the odds are close to 0 that we’re alone in the universe, but he’s a nice guy, and I’d hate to see him look like a fool, whether on the topic of AIDS or little green men.
As I said, Mark’s a smart guy and doesn’t need me, so I’ll leave things there.
Got HIV from open ehart surgery in the later 1980s. Progressed to AIDS 2004, now taking meds as my health was getting worse. If HIV doesn’t exist yet I was getting sick and sores, now the AIDS meds are helping, then if AIDS aint real, THE WTF?
HIV causes AIDS, I am living proof! I know many suffering from AIDS and the AIDS meds help!
The HIV/AIDS Network
I don’t recall ever saying HIV doesn’t exist. That’s a position taken by a small radical group so far as I know.
Would you be willing to answer some questions for me, DaveBoy?