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		<title>By: LifeLibraries  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; It&#8217;s just history, and changing demographics</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6789</link>
		<dc:creator>LifeLibraries  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; It&#8217;s just history, and changing demographics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  			 		 	 		 			It&#8217;s just history, and changing demographics 	 		 					While he probably being sarcastic, I would like to point out that national elections as we k [...]</description>
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<p> 			It&#8217;s just history, and changing demographics</p>
<p> 					While he probably being sarcastic, I would like to point out that national elections as we k [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6778</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about going back to the time when only property owners voted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about going back to the time when only property owners voted?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6773</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 02:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shuck,

Yeah, it is very much wishful thinking on my part.

There is another factor that has effectively ruined politics: television.  People who listened to the Nixon/Kennedy debate on the radio were convinced that Nixon won.  Those who watched on TV were convinced that Kennedy won, because Nixon was wearing a bad suit color and was sweating like a pig, and Kennedy looked young, handsome, calm, and not-sweaty by comparison.

It&#039;s frightening how many people are swayed by political television ads, even without knowing it.  In most cases, the tactics used to sway them have nothing to do with positions, but about negative and positive spin.

The whole mess about hanging chads and &quot;oops, I voted for Pat Buchanan&quot; in 2000 goes to show how utterly stupid many voters are.  And the sad fact is that these stupid voters are the ones &lt;em&gt;specifically targeted&lt;/em&gt; by campaigns.  It&#039;s pointless to try to sway people like you or me because we&#039;re intelligent and seek out information on our own.  Elections are won by convincing stupid people to vote one way or another with spin that confuses them.  The gay marriage issue is a great example of that.  The Republicans promoted Bush as being for a constitutional amendment to ban it, when anyone who could count votes knew that such a measure was doomed to fail, regardless of who was president.  And the Democrats did a good job of painting Kerry as sympathetic to the gay marriage cause, when he was actually nearly as opposed to the concept as Bush was.

While I can wish for an idyllic solution, there isn&#039;t one that can be realized.  And all that leaves for intelligent people to do is play chess with the proletariat pawns, which should turn the stomach of anyone with a conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shuck,</p>
<p>Yeah, it is very much wishful thinking on my part.</p>
<p>There is another factor that has effectively ruined politics: television.  People who listened to the Nixon/Kennedy debate on the radio were convinced that Nixon won.  Those who watched on TV were convinced that Kennedy won, because Nixon was wearing a bad suit color and was sweating like a pig, and Kennedy looked young, handsome, calm, and not-sweaty by comparison.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s frightening how many people are swayed by political television ads, even without knowing it.  In most cases, the tactics used to sway them have nothing to do with positions, but about negative and positive spin.</p>
<p>The whole mess about hanging chads and &#8220;oops, I voted for Pat Buchanan&#8221; in 2000 goes to show how utterly stupid many voters are.  And the sad fact is that these stupid voters are the ones <em>specifically targeted</em> by campaigns.  It&#8217;s pointless to try to sway people like you or me because we&#8217;re intelligent and seek out information on our own.  Elections are won by convincing stupid people to vote one way or another with spin that confuses them.  The gay marriage issue is a great example of that.  The Republicans promoted Bush as being for a constitutional amendment to ban it, when anyone who could count votes knew that such a measure was doomed to fail, regardless of who was president.  And the Democrats did a good job of painting Kerry as sympathetic to the gay marriage cause, when he was actually nearly as opposed to the concept as Bush was.</p>
<p>While I can wish for an idyllic solution, there isn&#8217;t one that can be realized.  And all that leaves for intelligent people to do is play chess with the proletariat pawns, which should turn the stomach of anyone with a conscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Shuck</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6772</link>
		<dc:creator>Shuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 02:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find two major faults with your post here.  The first is, and you pointed it out a bit, is that men are just as likely to vote on non-political issues as women are.  Men are just as interested in charisma and ethos.  Case in point, many believe (and I am one of them), that George Jr. won because of the gay amendment, and that the gay ban in 11 states was, in part, a marketing ploy to get people to the voting booths.  This issue has no political significance whatsoever.  Our government has no right to intervene, but yet it was a major issue, voted, I would think, equally amongst men and women.  

The second problem I have, and another reader pointed this out, is that military service in no way denotes a greater love for this country than non-military service.  I have many friends in the service, and I can think of only one who joined for purely patriotic reasons.  The rest are there because of a simple case of &quot;couldn&#039;t find anything better to do,&quot; or the college benefits.

So if the political elections are determined by irrelevent social issues, and military service does not signify a greater respect and practice of politics, then I think your idea of limiting the vote to those who care is purely idyllic.  While I respect it, it is no way feasible to attain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find two major faults with your post here.  The first is, and you pointed it out a bit, is that men are just as likely to vote on non-political issues as women are.  Men are just as interested in charisma and ethos.  Case in point, many believe (and I am one of them), that George Jr. won because of the gay amendment, and that the gay ban in 11 states was, in part, a marketing ploy to get people to the voting booths.  This issue has no political significance whatsoever.  Our government has no right to intervene, but yet it was a major issue, voted, I would think, equally amongst men and women.  </p>
<p>The second problem I have, and another reader pointed this out, is that military service in no way denotes a greater love for this country than non-military service.  I have many friends in the service, and I can think of only one who joined for purely patriotic reasons.  The rest are there because of a simple case of &#8220;couldn&#8217;t find anything better to do,&#8221; or the college benefits.</p>
<p>So if the political elections are determined by irrelevent social issues, and military service does not signify a greater respect and practice of politics, then I think your idea of limiting the vote to those who care is purely idyllic.  While I respect it, it is no way feasible to attain.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Dagny</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6759</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Dagny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 03:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repealing the 19th amendment is a fantastic idea - like shrinking government and getting back to the Constitution - but neither will never happen.
Women - as a rule - are of a socialist mentality, and quite incapable of separating their natural tendency for security and safety, when thinking about individual freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repealing the 19th amendment is a fantastic idea &#8211; like shrinking government and getting back to the Constitution &#8211; but neither will never happen.<br />
Women &#8211; as a rule &#8211; are of a socialist mentality, and quite incapable of separating their natural tendency for security and safety, when thinking about individual freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6758</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 01:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You don&#039;t sign up for the military unless you really love your country and have its wellbeing in mind.&lt;/em&gt;

Most of my military friends signed up because a) they didn&#039;t have anything better going on b) they knew the judge would go easy on them or c) to satisfy their parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You don&#8217;t sign up for the military unless you really love your country and have its wellbeing in mind.</em></p>
<p>Most of my military friends signed up because a) they didn&#8217;t have anything better going on b) they knew the judge would go easy on them or c) to satisfy their parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6757</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 00:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IO,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Israel-Defence-Forces&quot;&gt;Right you are&lt;/a&gt;!  Women have to serve a minimum of two years while men have to serve a minimum of three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IO,<br />
<a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Israel-Defence-Forces">Right you are</a>!  Women have to serve a minimum of two years while men have to serve a minimum of three.</p>
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		<title>By: IO ERROR</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6756</link>
		<dc:creator>IO ERROR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick note: in Israel both men and women go into military service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note: in Israel both men and women go into military service.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles W. Stricklin</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/05/28/restricting-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-6755</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles W. Stricklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could always go back to only allowing land owners. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could always go back to only allowing land owners. <img src='http://s.txfx.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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