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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<description>&quot;Now, I&#039;m not going to get into a pointless argument about whether or not this asinine statement is more or less irresponsible &quot;

The statement isn&#039;t asinine at all.  You are asinine.  With the Kabba gone, Islam would be gone.  No Kabba, no Islam.  I&#039;m not saying they should do it, but it is the clearest and esiest resolution of the entire problem of extremist Muslims.  You can&#039;t be an extremist Muslim if the Muslim temple is nothing but cinders.</description>
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<p>The statement isn&#8217;t asinine at all.  You are asinine.  With the Kabba gone, Islam would be gone.  No Kabba, no Islam.  I&#8217;m not saying they should do it, but it is the clearest and esiest resolution of the entire problem of extremist Muslims.  You can&#8217;t be an extremist Muslim if the Muslim temple is nothing but cinders.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to use the Jerusalem Bible only to get my reading in hope that you do the same to keep up.  Since you like Hebrew or Aramaic
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How could you say that Jesus is not God.  Look up the world Jesus in Hebrew and you will find Jesus means &quot;God saves&quot;Â.  At the annunciation, the angel Gabriel gave him the name Jesus as his proper name, which expresses both his identity and his mission. (Cf. lk 1:31) Since God alone can forgive sins, it is God who, in Jesus his eternal Son made man, &quot;will save his people from their sins&quot;.(Mt 1:21; cf. 2:7)  In Jesus, God recapitulates all of his history of salvation on behalf of men.


By the Catechism of the Catholic Church the meaning of Anointing and Messiah

Anointing. The symbolism of anointing with oil also signifies the Holy Spirit, ( 1 Jn 2:20:27;2 Cor 1:21). to the point of becoming a synonym for the Holy Spirit. In Christian initiation, anointing is the sacramental sign of Confirmation, called &quot;chrismation&quot; in the Churches of the East. Its full force can be grasped only in relation to the primary anointing accomplished by the Holy Spirit, that of Jesus. Christ (in Hebrew &quot;messiah&quot;) means the one &quot;anointed&quot; by God&#039;s Spirit. There were several anointed ones of the Lord in the Old Covenant, pre-eminently King David.(Ex 30:22-21; 1 Sam 16:13)  But Jesus is God&#039;s Anointed in a unique way: the humanity the Son assumed was entirely anointed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit established him as &quot;Christ.&quot; (Lk 4:18-19; Isa 61:1) The Virgin Mary conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit who, through the angel, proclaimed him the Christ at his birth, and prompted Simeon to come to the temple to see the Christ of the Lord. (LK 2:11, 26-27) The Spirit filled Christ and the power of the Spirit went out from him in his acts of healing and of saving. (lK4:1;,6:19; 8:46) Finally, it was the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead. Now, fully established as &quot;Christ&quot; in his humanity victorious over death, Jesus pours out the Holy Spirit abundantly until &quot;the saints&quot; constitute - in their union with the humanity of the Son of God - that perfect man &quot;to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ&quot;: &quot;the whole Christ,&quot; in St. Augustine&#039;s expression. 

I am kind of puzzle why are you get confused on the meaning Messiah with the meaning God.  I hope this below and above will clear up some miss understanding. 

Jesus Christ, the Messiah:

436 The word &quot;Christ&quot; comes from the Greek translation of the Hebrew Messiah, which means &quot;anointed&quot;. It became the name proper to Jesus only because he accomplished perfectly the divine mission that &quot;Christ&quot; signifies. In effect, in Israel those consecrated to God for a mission that he gave were anointed in his name. This was the case for kings, for priests and, in rare instances, for prophets.29 This had to be the case all the more so for the Messiah whom God would send to inaugurate his kingdom definitively.30 It was necessary that the Messiah be anointed by the Spirit of the Lord at once as king and priest, and also as prophet.31 Jesus fulfilled the messianic hope of Israel in his threefold office of priest, prophet and king. 
437 To the shepherds, the angel announced the birth of Jesus as the Messiah promised to Israel: &quot;To you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.&quot;32 From the beginning he was &quot;the one whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world&quot;, conceived as &quot;holy&quot; in Mary&#039;s virginal womb.33 God called Joseph to &quot;take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit&quot;, so that Jesus, &quot;who is called Christ&quot;, should be born of Joseph&#039;s spouse into the messianic lineage of David.34 
438 Jesus&#039; messianic consecration reveals his divine mission, &quot;for the name &#039;Christ&#039; implies &#039;he who anointed&#039;, &#039;he who was anointed&#039; and &#039;the very anointing with which he was anointed&#039;. The one who anointed is the Father, the one who was anointed is the Son, and he was anointed with the Spirit who is the anointing.&#039;&quot;35 His eternal messianic consecration was revealed during the time of his earthly life at the moment of his baptism by John, when &quot;God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power&quot;, &quot;that he might be revealed to Israel&quot;36 as its Messiah. His works and words will manifest him as &quot;the Holy One of God&quot;.37 
439 Many Jews and even certain Gentiles who shared their hope recognized in Jesus the fundamental attributes of the messianic &quot;Son of David&quot;, promised by God to Israel.38 Jesus accepted his rightful title of Messiah, though with some reserve because it was understood by some of his contemporaries in too human a sense, as essentially political.39 
29 Cf. Ex 29:7; Lev 8:12; 1 Sam 9:16; 10:1; 16:1,12-13; 1 Kings 1:39; 19:16.
30 Cf. Ps 2:2; Acts 4:26-27.
31 Cf. Isa 11:2; 61:1; Zech 4:14; 6:13; Lk 4:16-21.
32 Lk 2:11.
33 Jn 10:36; cf. Lk 1:35.
34 Mt 1:20; cf. 1:16; Rom 1:1; 2 Tim 2:8; Rev 22:16.
35 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3,18,3:PG 7/1,934.
36 Acts 10:38; Jn 1:31.
37 Mk 1:24; Jn 6:69; Acts 3:14.
38 Cf Mt 2:2; 9:27; 12:23; 15:22; 20:30; 21:9,15.
39 Cf. Jn 4:25-26; 6:15; 11:27; Mt 22:41-46; Lk 24:21.

440 Jesus accepted Peter&#039;s profession of faith, which acknowledged him to be the Messiah, by announcing the imminent Passion of the Son of Man.40 He unveiled the authentic content of his messianic kingship both in the transcendent identity of the Son of Man &quot;who came down from heaven&quot;, and in his redemptive mission as the suffering Servant: &quot;The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&quot;41 Hence the true meaning of his kingship is revealed only when he is raised high on the cross.42 Only after his Resurrection will Peter be able to proclaim Jesus&#039; messianic kingship to the People of God: &quot;Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.&quot;43
40 Cf. Mt 16:16-23.
41 Jn 3:13; Mt 20:28; cf. Jn 6:62; Dan 7:13; Isa 53:10-12.
42 Cf. Jn 19:19-22; Lk 23:39-43.
43 Acts 2:36.

528 The Epiphany is the manifestation of Jesus as Messiah of Israel, Son of God and Savior of the world. The great feast of Epiphany celebrates the adoration of Jesus by the wise men (magi) from the East, together with his baptism in the Jordan and the wedding feast at Cana in Galilee.212 In the magi, representatives of the neighboring pagan religions, the Gospel sees the first-fruits of the nations, who welcome the good news of salvation through the Incarnation. The magi&#039;s coming to Jerusalem in order to pay homage to the king of the Jews shows that they seek in Israel, in the messianic light of the star of David, the one who will be king of the nations.213 Their coming means that pagans can discover Jesus and worship him as Son of God and Savior of the world only by turning towards the Jews and receiving from them the messianic promise as contained in the Old Testament.214 The Epiphany shows that &quot;the full number of the nations&quot; now takes its &quot;place in the family of the patriarchs&quot;, and acquires Israelitica dignitas215 (is made &quot;worthy of the heritage of Israel&quot;).
212 Mt 2:1; cf. LH, Epiphany, Evening Prayer II, Antiphon at the Canticle of Mary.
213 Cf Mt 2:2; Num 24:17-19; Rev 22:16.
214 Cf Jn 4 22; Mt 2:4-6.
215 St. Leo the Great, Sermo 3 in epiphania Domini 1-3, 5: PL 54, 242; LH, Epiphany, OR; Roman Missal, Easter Vigil 26, Prayer after the third reading.

529 The presentation of Jesus in the temple shows him to be the firstborn Son who belongs to the Lord.216 With Simeon and Anna, all Israel awaits its encounter with the Savior-the name given to this event in the Byzantine tradition. Jesus is recognized as the long-expected Messiah, the &quot;light to the nations&quot; and the &quot;glory of Israel&quot;, but also &quot;a sign that is spoken against&quot;. The sword of sorrow predicted for Mary announces Christ&#039;s perfect and unique oblation on the cross that will impart the salvation God had &quot;prepared in the presence of all peoples&quot;.

261 Cf. Mk 4:33-34.

535 Jesus&#039; public life begins with his baptism by John in the Jordan.228 John preaches &quot;a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins&quot;.229 A crowd of sinners230 - tax collectors and soldiers, Pharisees and Sadducees, and prostitutes- come to be baptized by him. &quot;Then Jesus appears.&quot; The Baptist hesitates, but Jesus insists and receives baptism. Then the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, comes upon Jesus and a voice from heaven proclaims, &quot;This is my beloved Son.&quot;231 This is the manifestation (&quot;Epiphany&quot;) of Jesus as Messiah of Israel and Son of God.
228 Cf. Lk 3:23; Acts 1:22.
229 Lk 3:3. 
230 Cf. Lk 3:10-14; Mt 3:7; 21:32.
231 Mt 3:13-17.

540 Jesus&#039; temptation reveals the way in which the Son of God is Messiah, contrary to the way Satan proposes to him and the way men wish to attribute to him.244 This is why Christ vanquished the Tempter for us: &quot;For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tested as we are, yet without sinning.&quot;245 By the solemn forty days of Lent the Church unites herself each year to the mystery of Jesus in the desert.
244 Cf Mt 16:2 1-23.
245 Heb 4:15.

590 Only the divine identity of Jesus&#039; person can justify so absolute a claim as &quot;He who is not with me is against me&quot;; and his saying that there was in him &quot;something greater than Jonah,. . . greater than Solomon&quot;, something &quot;greater than the Temple&quot;; his reminder that David had called the Messiah his Lord,371 and his affirmations, &quot;Before Abraham was, I AM&quot;, and even &quot;I and the Father are one.&quot;372

371 Cf. Mt 12:6, 30, 36, 37, 41-42.
372 Jn 8:58; 10:30.

674 The glorious Messiah&#039;s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by &quot;all Israel&quot;, for &quot;a hardening has come upon part of Israel&quot; in their &quot;unbelief&quot; toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: &quot;Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.&quot;570 St. Paul echoes him: &quot;For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?&quot;571 The &quot;full inclusion&quot; of the Jews in the Messiah&#039;s salvation, in the wake of &quot;the full number of the Gentiles&quot;,572 will enable the People of God to achieve &quot;the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ&quot;, in which &quot;God may be all in all&quot;.573

569 Rom 11:20-26; cf. Mt 23:39.
570 Acts 3:19-21.
571 Rom 11:15.
572 Rom 11:12, 25; cf. Lk 21:24.
573 Eph 4:13; 1 Cor 15:28.</description>
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<p>How could you say that Jesus is not God.  Look up the world Jesus in Hebrew and you will find Jesus means &#8220;God saves&#8221;Â.  At the annunciation, the angel Gabriel gave him the name Jesus as his proper name, which expresses both his identity and his mission. (Cf. lk 1:31) Since God alone can forgive sins, it is God who, in Jesus his eternal Son made man, &#8220;will save his people from their sins&#8221;.(Mt 1:21; cf. 2:7)  In Jesus, God recapitulates all of his history of salvation on behalf of men.</p>
<p>By the Catechism of the Catholic Church the meaning of Anointing and Messiah</p>
<p>Anointing. The symbolism of anointing with oil also signifies the Holy Spirit, ( 1 Jn 2:20:27;2 Cor 1:21). to the point of becoming a synonym for the Holy Spirit. In Christian initiation, anointing is the sacramental sign of Confirmation, called &#8220;chrismation&#8221; in the Churches of the East. Its full force can be grasped only in relation to the primary anointing accomplished by the Holy Spirit, that of Jesus. Christ (in Hebrew &#8220;messiah&#8221;) means the one &#8220;anointed&#8221; by God&#8217;s Spirit. There were several anointed ones of the Lord in the Old Covenant, pre-eminently King David.(Ex 30:22-21; 1 Sam 16:13)  But Jesus is God&#8217;s Anointed in a unique way: the humanity the Son assumed was entirely anointed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit established him as &#8220;Christ.&#8221; (Lk 4:18-19; Isa 61:1) The Virgin Mary conceived Christ by the Holy Spirit who, through the angel, proclaimed him the Christ at his birth, and prompted Simeon to come to the temple to see the Christ of the Lord. (LK 2:11, 26-27) The Spirit filled Christ and the power of the Spirit went out from him in his acts of healing and of saving. (lK4:1;,6:19; 8:46) Finally, it was the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead. Now, fully established as &#8220;Christ&#8221; in his humanity victorious over death, Jesus pours out the Holy Spirit abundantly until &#8220;the saints&#8221; constitute &#8211; in their union with the humanity of the Son of God &#8211; that perfect man &#8220;to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ&#8221;: &#8220;the whole Christ,&#8221; in St. Augustine&#8217;s expression. </p>
<p>I am kind of puzzle why are you get confused on the meaning Messiah with the meaning God.  I hope this below and above will clear up some miss understanding. </p>
<p>Jesus Christ, the Messiah:</p>
<p>436 The word &#8220;Christ&#8221; comes from the Greek translation of the Hebrew Messiah, which means &#8220;anointed&#8221;. It became the name proper to Jesus only because he accomplished perfectly the divine mission that &#8220;Christ&#8221; signifies. In effect, in Israel those consecrated to God for a mission that he gave were anointed in his name. This was the case for kings, for priests and, in rare instances, for prophets.29 This had to be the case all the more so for the Messiah whom God would send to inaugurate his kingdom definitively.30 It was necessary that the Messiah be anointed by the Spirit of the Lord at once as king and priest, and also as prophet.31 Jesus fulfilled the messianic hope of Israel in his threefold office of priest, prophet and king.<br />
437 To the shepherds, the angel announced the birth of Jesus as the Messiah promised to Israel: &#8220;To you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.&#8221;32 From the beginning he was &#8220;the one whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world&#8221;, conceived as &#8220;holy&#8221; in Mary&#8217;s virginal womb.33 God called Joseph to &#8220;take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit&#8221;, so that Jesus, &#8220;who is called Christ&#8221;, should be born of Joseph&#8217;s spouse into the messianic lineage of David.34<br />
438 Jesus&#8217; messianic consecration reveals his divine mission, &#8220;for the name &#8216;Christ&#8217; implies &#8216;he who anointed&#8217;, &#8216;he who was anointed&#8217; and &#8216;the very anointing with which he was anointed&#8217;. The one who anointed is the Father, the one who was anointed is the Son, and he was anointed with the Spirit who is the anointing.&#8217;&#8221;35 His eternal messianic consecration was revealed during the time of his earthly life at the moment of his baptism by John, when &#8220;God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power&#8221;, &#8220;that he might be revealed to Israel&#8221;36 as its Messiah. His works and words will manifest him as &#8220;the Holy One of God&#8221;.37<br />
439 Many Jews and even certain Gentiles who shared their hope recognized in Jesus the fundamental attributes of the messianic &#8220;Son of David&#8221;, promised by God to Israel.38 Jesus accepted his rightful title of Messiah, though with some reserve because it was understood by some of his contemporaries in too human a sense, as essentially political.39<br />
29 Cf. Ex 29:7; Lev 8:12; 1 Sam 9:16; 10:1; 16:1,12-13; 1 Kings 1:39; 19:16.<br />
30 Cf. Ps 2:2; Acts 4:26-27.<br />
31 Cf. Isa 11:2; 61:1; Zech 4:14; 6:13; Lk 4:16-21.<br />
32 Lk 2:11.<br />
33 Jn 10:36; cf. Lk 1:35.<br />
34 Mt 1:20; cf. 1:16; Rom 1:1; 2 Tim 2:8; Rev 22:16.<br />
35 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 3,18,3:PG 7/1,934.<br />
36 Acts 10:38; Jn 1:31.<br />
37 Mk 1:24; Jn 6:69; Acts 3:14.<br />
38 Cf Mt 2:2; 9:27; 12:23; 15:22; 20:30; 21:9,15.<br />
39 Cf. Jn 4:25-26; 6:15; 11:27; Mt 22:41-46; Lk 24:21.</p>
<p>440 Jesus accepted Peter&#8217;s profession of faith, which acknowledged him to be the Messiah, by announcing the imminent Passion of the Son of Man.40 He unveiled the authentic content of his messianic kingship both in the transcendent identity of the Son of Man &#8220;who came down from heaven&#8221;, and in his redemptive mission as the suffering Servant: &#8220;The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.&#8221;41 Hence the true meaning of his kingship is revealed only when he is raised high on the cross.42 Only after his Resurrection will Peter be able to proclaim Jesus&#8217; messianic kingship to the People of God: &#8220;Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.&#8221;43<br />
40 Cf. Mt 16:16-23.<br />
41 Jn 3:13; Mt 20:28; cf. Jn 6:62; Dan 7:13; Isa 53:10-12.<br />
42 Cf. Jn 19:19-22; Lk 23:39-43.<br />
43 Acts 2:36.</p>
<p>528 The Epiphany is the manifestation of Jesus as Messiah of Israel, Son of God and Savior of the world. The great feast of Epiphany celebrates the adoration of Jesus by the wise men (magi) from the East, together with his baptism in the Jordan and the wedding feast at Cana in Galilee.212 In the magi, representatives of the neighboring pagan religions, the Gospel sees the first-fruits of the nations, who welcome the good news of salvation through the Incarnation. The magi&#8217;s coming to Jerusalem in order to pay homage to the king of the Jews shows that they seek in Israel, in the messianic light of the star of David, the one who will be king of the nations.213 Their coming means that pagans can discover Jesus and worship him as Son of God and Savior of the world only by turning towards the Jews and receiving from them the messianic promise as contained in the Old Testament.214 The Epiphany shows that &#8220;the full number of the nations&#8221; now takes its &#8220;place in the family of the patriarchs&#8221;, and acquires Israelitica dignitas215 (is made &#8220;worthy of the heritage of Israel&#8221;).<br />
212 Mt 2:1; cf. LH, Epiphany, Evening Prayer II, Antiphon at the Canticle of Mary.<br />
213 Cf Mt 2:2; Num 24:17-19; Rev 22:16.<br />
214 Cf Jn 4 22; Mt 2:4-6.<br />
215 St. Leo the Great, Sermo 3 in epiphania Domini 1-3, 5: PL 54, 242; LH, Epiphany, OR; Roman Missal, Easter Vigil 26, Prayer after the third reading.</p>
<p>529 The presentation of Jesus in the temple shows him to be the firstborn Son who belongs to the Lord.216 With Simeon and Anna, all Israel awaits its encounter with the Savior-the name given to this event in the Byzantine tradition. Jesus is recognized as the long-expected Messiah, the &#8220;light to the nations&#8221; and the &#8220;glory of Israel&#8221;, but also &#8220;a sign that is spoken against&#8221;. The sword of sorrow predicted for Mary announces Christ&#8217;s perfect and unique oblation on the cross that will impart the salvation God had &#8220;prepared in the presence of all peoples&#8221;.</p>
<p>261 Cf. Mk 4:33-34.</p>
<p>535 Jesus&#8217; public life begins with his baptism by John in the Jordan.228 John preaches &#8220;a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins&#8221;.229 A crowd of sinners230 &#8211; tax collectors and soldiers, Pharisees and Sadducees, and prostitutes- come to be baptized by him. &#8220;Then Jesus appears.&#8221; The Baptist hesitates, but Jesus insists and receives baptism. Then the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, comes upon Jesus and a voice from heaven proclaims, &#8220;This is my beloved Son.&#8221;231 This is the manifestation (&#8220;Epiphany&#8221;) of Jesus as Messiah of Israel and Son of God.<br />
228 Cf. Lk 3:23; Acts 1:22.<br />
229 Lk 3:3.<br />
230 Cf. Lk 3:10-14; Mt 3:7; 21:32.<br />
231 Mt 3:13-17.</p>
<p>540 Jesus&#8217; temptation reveals the way in which the Son of God is Messiah, contrary to the way Satan proposes to him and the way men wish to attribute to him.244 This is why Christ vanquished the Tempter for us: &#8220;For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tested as we are, yet without sinning.&#8221;245 By the solemn forty days of Lent the Church unites herself each year to the mystery of Jesus in the desert.<br />
244 Cf Mt 16:2 1-23.<br />
245 Heb 4:15.</p>
<p>590 Only the divine identity of Jesus&#8217; person can justify so absolute a claim as &#8220;He who is not with me is against me&#8221;; and his saying that there was in him &#8220;something greater than Jonah,. . . greater than Solomon&#8221;, something &#8220;greater than the Temple&#8221;; his reminder that David had called the Messiah his Lord,371 and his affirmations, &#8220;Before Abraham was, I AM&#8221;, and even &#8220;I and the Father are one.&#8221;372</p>
<p>371 Cf. Mt 12:6, 30, 36, 37, 41-42.<br />
372 Jn 8:58; 10:30.</p>
<p>674 The glorious Messiah&#8217;s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by &#8220;all Israel&#8221;, for &#8220;a hardening has come upon part of Israel&#8221; in their &#8220;unbelief&#8221; toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: &#8220;Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old.&#8221;570 St. Paul echoes him: &#8220;For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?&#8221;571 The &#8220;full inclusion&#8221; of the Jews in the Messiah&#8217;s salvation, in the wake of &#8220;the full number of the Gentiles&#8221;,572 will enable the People of God to achieve &#8220;the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ&#8221;, in which &#8220;God may be all in all&#8221;.573</p>
<p>569 Rom 11:20-26; cf. Mt 23:39.<br />
570 Acts 3:19-21.<br />
571 Rom 11:15.<br />
572 Rom 11:12, 25; cf. Lk 21:24.<br />
573 Eph 4:13; 1 Cor 15:28.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
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		<description>What the Bible teaches us about women:

Deuteronomy 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; 13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. 14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. 

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Peter 3

1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. 7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

1 Corinthians 11

1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the Bible teaches us about women:</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; 13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. 14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her. </p>
<p>1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. </p>
<p>1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.</p>
<p>1 Peter 3</p>
<p>1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. 7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 11</p>
<p>1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
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		<description>Something interesting to think about in regards to Ishmael and Isaac

Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something interesting to think about in regards to Ishmael and Isaac</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: 16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: 17 But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
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		<description>Rose, In regards to fighting I respond to &quot;But how can we harmonize them with the following texts commanding the use of force in religion?&quot; with the following from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 20
 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 2 And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people, 3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; 4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you. 5 And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. 6 And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. 8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren&#039;s heart faint as well as his heart. 9 And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people. 10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: 18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God. 19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man&#039;s life) to employ them in the siege: 20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued. 

Joshua 8:24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Joshua 10:20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities. 21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel. 22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave. 23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon. 24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them. 25 And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight. 26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening. 27 And it came to pass at the time of the going down of the sun, that Joshua commanded, and they took them down off the trees, and cast them into the cave wherein they had been hid, and laid great stones in the cave&#039;s mouth, which remain until this very day. 28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal. 

1 Samuel 15

1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD. 2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Ezekiel 26

1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: 3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. 4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. 5 It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations. 6 And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD. 7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. 8 He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. 9 And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. 10 By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. 11 With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. 12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. 13 And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. 14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. 15 Thus saith the Lord GOD to Tyrus; Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee? 16 Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee. 17 And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it! 18 Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure. 19 For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; 20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living; 21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD. 
Leviticus 20

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people. 6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God. 8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. 9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man&#039;s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour&#039;s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 And the man that lieth with his father&#039;s wife hath uncovered his father&#039;s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father&#039;s daughter, or his mother&#039;s daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister&#039;s nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity. 18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother&#039;s sister, nor of thy father&#039;s sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity. 20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle&#039;s wife, he hath uncovered his uncle&#039;s nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 And if a man shall take his brother&#039;s wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother&#039;s nakedness; they shall be childless. 22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. 24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. 25 Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. 27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. 

Numbers 31

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. 4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war. 5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand. 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. 13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I think that says enough. I will continue with what the Bible teaches about women shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, In regards to fighting I respond to &#8220;But how can we harmonize them with the following texts commanding the use of force in religion?&#8221; with the following from the Bible:</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 20<br />
 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 2 And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people, 3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them; 4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you. 5 And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. 6 And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. 8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren&#8217;s heart faint as well as his heart. 9 And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people. 10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. 12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: 13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. 16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: 18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God. 19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man&#8217;s life) to employ them in the siege: 20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued. </p>
<p>Joshua 8:24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcase down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.</p>
<p>Joshua 10:20 And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities. 21 And all the people returned to the camp to Joshua at Makkedah in peace: none moved his tongue against any of the children of Israel. 22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave. 23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon. 24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them. 25 And Joshua said unto them, Fear not, nor be dismayed, be strong and of good courage: for thus shall the LORD do to all your enemies against whom ye fight. 26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening. 27 And it came to pass at the time of the going down of the sun, that Joshua commanded, and they took them down off the trees, and cast them into the cave wherein they had been hid, and laid great stones in the cave&#8217;s mouth, which remain until this very day. 28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal. </p>
<p>1 Samuel 15</p>
<p>1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD. 2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.</p>
<p>Ezekiel 26</p>
<p>1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste: 3 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up. 4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers: I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. 5 It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD: and it shall become a spoil to the nations. 6 And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD. 7 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. 8 He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. 9 And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. 10 By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. 11 With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. 12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. 13 And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. 14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. 15 Thus saith the Lord GOD to Tyrus; Shall not the isles shake at the sound of thy fall, when the wounded cry, when the slaughter is made in the midst of thee? 16 Then all the princes of the sea shall come down from their thrones, and lay away their robes, and put off their broidered garments: they shall clothe themselves with trembling; they shall sit upon the ground, and shall tremble at every moment, and be astonished at thee. 17 And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it! 18 Now shall the isles tremble in the day of thy fall; yea, the isles that are in the sea shall be troubled at thy departure. 19 For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; 20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living; 21 I will make thee a terror, and thou shalt be no more: though thou be sought for, yet shalt thou never be found again, saith the Lord GOD.<br />
Leviticus 20</p>
<p>1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: 5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people. 6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God. 8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you. 9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man&#8217;s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour&#8217;s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 And the man that lieth with his father&#8217;s wife hath uncovered his father&#8217;s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. 15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. 16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father&#8217;s daughter, or his mother&#8217;s daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister&#8217;s nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity. 18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people. 19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother&#8217;s sister, nor of thy father&#8217;s sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity. 20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle&#8217;s wife, he hath uncovered his uncle&#8217;s nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 And if a man shall take his brother&#8217;s wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother&#8217;s nakedness; they shall be childless. 22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. 23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. 24 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. 25 Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. 27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. </p>
<p>Numbers 31</p>
<p>1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian. 4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war. 5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand. 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho. 13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.</p>
<p>I think that says enough. I will continue with what the Bible teaches about women shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
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		<description>Whom do men say that I am:

Mark 8:27 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28 And they answered, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

I don&#039;t deny that throughout the New Testament that Jesus is called the Son of God, atleast depending on the way it is translated.Adam himself is called the son of God:
Luke 3:38 - Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. 

The interesting thing is that different translations will render it as servant of God, Messiah, Christ, etc. The test will be to read it in Aramaic which was the language Jesus and the apostles spoke. My belief when I was a Christian and even now as a Muslim is that Jesus was telling people if you submit yourself fully to the will of God you will be as sons and daughters to Him since he is your Rabb (Lord, sustainer, etc.) and Jesus had fully submitted himself. I base my conclusion on the following verses from the Bible:

John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 

Romans 8:19 - For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 

Philippians 2:15 - That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; 

1 John 3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.   

I believe Jesus was teaching us what we can achieve if we fully submit our will to God&#039;s will and I see this in fulfillment in the hadith (saying of the Prophet):

Hadith Qudsi 25:
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) said:
Whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him. My servant draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about [seizing] the soul of My faithful servant: he hates death and I hate hurting him.

It was related by al-Bukhari. 

And there are other similar sayings:
God saith, &quot;I fulfil the faith of whoso putteth his faith in Me; and I am with him, and near him, when remembereth Me.&quot; 

God saith, &quot;Whoso doth one good act, for him are ten rewards; and I also give more to whomever I will; and whoso doth an ill, its punishment is equal to it, or I forgive him; and whoso seeketh to approach Me one span, I seek to approach one cubit; and whoso seeketh to approach Me one cubit, I seek to approach him two fathoms; and whoso walketh towards Me, I run towards him; and whoso cometh before Me with the earth full of sins, and believeth solely in Me, him I come before with a front of forgiveness as big as the earth.&quot; 

God saith, &quot;The person I hold as a beloved, I am his hearing by which he heareth, and I am his sight by which he seeth, and I am his hands by which he holdeth, and I am his feet by which he walketh.&quot; 

God saith, &quot;O Man! Only follow thou My laws, and thou shall become like unto Me, and then say, &#039;Be&#039; and behold, It is.&quot; 


This does not mean we become God but we have fully submitted our wills to Him. I find this with Jesus as well. From everything Jesus says of himself, he is nothing more than a servant and can do nothing of his own will. If he can only do what God commands him, how can he be equal to God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whom do men say that I am:</p>
<p>Mark 8:27 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28 And they answered, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that throughout the New Testament that Jesus is called the Son of God, atleast depending on the way it is translated.Adam himself is called the son of God:<br />
Luke 3:38 &#8211; Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. </p>
<p>The interesting thing is that different translations will render it as servant of God, Messiah, Christ, etc. The test will be to read it in Aramaic which was the language Jesus and the apostles spoke. My belief when I was a Christian and even now as a Muslim is that Jesus was telling people if you submit yourself fully to the will of God you will be as sons and daughters to Him since he is your Rabb (Lord, sustainer, etc.) and Jesus had fully submitted himself. I base my conclusion on the following verses from the Bible:</p>
<p>John 1:12 &#8211; But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:</p>
<p>Romans 8:14 &#8211; For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. </p>
<p>Romans 8:19 &#8211; For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. </p>
<p>Philippians 2:15 &#8211; That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; </p>
<p>1 John 3:1 &#8211; Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.</p>
<p>1 John 3:2 &#8211; Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.   </p>
<p>I believe Jesus was teaching us what we can achieve if we fully submit our will to God&#8217;s will and I see this in fulfillment in the hadith (saying of the Prophet):</p>
<p>Hadith Qudsi 25:<br />
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) said:<br />
Whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him. My servant draws not near to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties I have enjoined upon him, and My servant continues to draw near to Me with supererogatory works so that I shall love him. When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it. I do not hesitate about anything as much as I hesitate about [seizing] the soul of My faithful servant: he hates death and I hate hurting him.</p>
<p>It was related by al-Bukhari. </p>
<p>And there are other similar sayings:<br />
God saith, &#8220;I fulfil the faith of whoso putteth his faith in Me; and I am with him, and near him, when remembereth Me.&#8221; </p>
<p>God saith, &#8220;Whoso doth one good act, for him are ten rewards; and I also give more to whomever I will; and whoso doth an ill, its punishment is equal to it, or I forgive him; and whoso seeketh to approach Me one span, I seek to approach one cubit; and whoso seeketh to approach Me one cubit, I seek to approach him two fathoms; and whoso walketh towards Me, I run towards him; and whoso cometh before Me with the earth full of sins, and believeth solely in Me, him I come before with a front of forgiveness as big as the earth.&#8221; </p>
<p>God saith, &#8220;The person I hold as a beloved, I am his hearing by which he heareth, and I am his sight by which he seeth, and I am his hands by which he holdeth, and I am his feet by which he walketh.&#8221; </p>
<p>God saith, &#8220;O Man! Only follow thou My laws, and thou shall become like unto Me, and then say, &#8216;Be&#8217; and behold, It is.&#8221; </p>
<p>This does not mean we become God but we have fully submitted our wills to Him. I find this with Jesus as well. From everything Jesus says of himself, he is nothing more than a servant and can do nothing of his own will. If he can only do what God commands him, how can he be equal to God?</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
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		<description>David,
You can use explanations from the past 2000 years of Christianity. I will only quote what your Bible says and what Jesus himself says:

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. 

Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 35:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. 

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. 


Luke 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.

Luke 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

John 1: 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. 

John 6:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;

2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places

Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Phillipians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

In regards to the temptation of Jesus:
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name

Qur&#039;an 5:72,73  They do blaspheme who say: &quot;(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary.&quot; But said Christ: &quot;O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.&quot; Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. 

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
You can use explanations from the past 2000 years of Christianity. I will only quote what your Bible says and what Jesus himself says:</p>
<p>John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.</p>
<p>Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. </p>
<p>Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.</p>
<p>Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.</p>
<p>Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.</p>
<p>Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?</p>
<p>Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?</p>
<p>Mark 35:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.</p>
<p>Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.</p>
<p>Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.</p>
<p>Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. </p>
<p>Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?</p>
<p>Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.</p>
<p>Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. </p>
<p>Luke 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.</p>
<p>Luke 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.</p>
<p>John 1: 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.</p>
<p>John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. </p>
<p>John 6:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.</p>
<p>John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me</p>
<p>John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.</p>
<p>John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:</p>
<p>John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. 45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.</p>
<p>John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.</p>
<p>John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.</p>
<p>John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.</p>
<p>John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.</p>
<p>Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:</p>
<p>Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.</p>
<p>Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.</p>
<p>Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.</p>
<p>Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.</p>
<p>Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:</p>
<p>Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places</p>
<p>Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ</p>
<p>Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.</p>
<p>Phillipians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.</p>
<p>Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, </p>
<p>1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus</p>
<p>Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.</p>
<p>Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.</p>
<p>In regards to the temptation of Jesus:<br />
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man</p>
<p>1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead</p>
<p>1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11 To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.</p>
<p>1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.</p>
<p>Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.</p>
<p>Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name</p>
<p>Qur&#8217;an 5:72,73  They do blaspheme who say: &#8220;(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary.&#8221; But said Christ: &#8220;O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.&#8221; Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. </p>
<p>They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.</p>
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		<description>CATHOLIC DEFINITION: MESSIAH
The Hebrew word for an anointed person. In Greek, it is christos (christ). The priests, especially the high priest, were anointed (Leviticus 8:12; Exodus 28:41; 30:30), expressing their consecration to God&#039;s service with the responsibilities that came with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CATHOLIC DEFINITION: MESSIAH<br />
The Hebrew word for an anointed person. In Greek, it is christos (christ). The priests, especially the high priest, were anointed (Leviticus 8:12; Exodus 28:41; 30:30), expressing their consecration to God&#8217;s service with the responsibilities that came with it.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
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		<description>A found good site for you,  I like it is http://answering-islam.org.uk/index.html

It seem to me that you don&#039;t understand the divine Claims of Jesus

look at this I hope that you like it answers your questions?

The Assertion of Godhood 

J. P. Holding 

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html

It&#039;s alarmingly simple, and a common suggestion to make: That Jesus either a) never made any claims to deity; b) that His claims were altered by His biased followers; or, c) His claims were misunderstood by His ignorant followers. Do these ideas hold any water?

A related argument in this regard is that only John&#039;s Gospel portrays Jesus as claiming to be God; and since it is later than the Synoptics, the claims are the result of an evolution in Christian theology. Now there is no a priori reason to reject John&#039;s Gospel, or even to date it as the latest of the present quartet. Indeed, John A. T. Robinson in Redating the New Testament and in The Priority of John, presents a cogent argument for dating John in the same time period as the other Gospels, between 50-65 AD, with proto-gospel material and traditions dating into the two decades previous. Others have presented similar arguments for an earlier date for John than is often presumed (see particularly Chars.JDSS, 167-9). A full discussion of the date of the Johannine Gospel is beyond our scope in this essay, but we will, for the sake of argument, not consider most of the claims to divinity in John&#039;s Gospel. For now, at the end of this section, we shall only address one piece of John which is a key to understanding the claims that it includes. (Furthermore, we may not simply reject the record of John&#039;s Gospel because we find it incredible that Jesus should have made such direct claims to divinity - that, indeed, is the very point at issue!) 

And what of the Synoptics? The fact is that there are ample recorded claims of divinity by Jesus in the Synoptics, which operate against the assumption that only John shows Jesus making such claims. The divinity claims in the Synoptics give a quite unambiguous statement of what Jesus meant when He made those claims. We do NOT, of course, find the direct claim: &quot;I AM GOD.&quot; That would have been a little too confusing to Jesus&#039; hearers, and at any rate, would not have been precisely correct, only generally correct. The claims, as we shall see, are more precisely fitting to the proclamation: &quot;Jesus is God the Son; the Wisdom and Word of God&quot; - i.e., the second person of the Trinity, which, ontologically, makes Jesus co-equal with God. Even the NT itself, though it refers to Jesus as God (cf. John 1:1, 20:28), shows a preference for expressing Jesus&#039; divinity through titles: Word, Savior, Son of God, Lord - and by using language to describe Jesus that is appropriated from OT attributions to Yahweh [OColl.Ch, 144-5]. There were reasons for this, as Brown [Brow.JesGM, 33-4] points out, regarding the hesitation in the NT to directly ascribe the title &quot;God&quot; to Jesus:

The most plausible explanation is that in the earliest stage of Christianity the Old Testament heritage dominated the use of the title &#039;God&#039;; hence &#039;God&#039; was a title too narrow to be applied to Jesus. It referred strictly to the Father of Jesus, to the God whom he prayed. Gradually (in the 50s and 60s?), in the development of Christian thought, &#039;God&#039; was understood to be a broader term. It was seen that God had revealed so much of Himself in Jesus that &#039;God&#039; had to be able to include both Father and Son.
Harris [Harr.3Cruc, 99-103] agrees with the above in his own analysis, and adds that there would be a certain &quot;linguistic ambiguity&quot; in directly and always referring to Jesus as God - to wit: What would we make of the verse that said, &quot;the Father was in God, reconciling the world to himself&quot;? For the sake of clarity, the distinction had to be kept foremost in the text. (Harris notes other reasons for the distinction; among them, the need to avoid a misunderstanding of there being two Gods; a need to keep the emphasis upon the humanity of Jesus without expense to His Deity; and in our own time, the problem of our language making &quot;Jesus is God&quot; mean the same thing as &quot;God is Jesus&quot; - which suggests a numerical identity which is NOT part of the total package.) 

The claims of Jesus, at any rate, can be understood and interpreted in light of the context and setting in which they were made: first-century Judea. But what of defending the authenticity of these claims as being the words of Jesus, rather than the invention of his followers? Generally, how valid is this idea that Jesus never claimed divinity? Broken down, it can never be more than a rhetorical and speculative argument; until some device is invented to pluck long-enunciated words from the air, we can not prove, or disprove, that any given historical personage prior to recording technology said anything - and even then there is the possible problem of tampering and doctored records. We can&#039;t absolutely prove that Jesus said &quot;Blessed are the meek&quot;; we cannot demonstrate beyond doubt that Julius Caesar said &quot;Et tu, brute&quot;; we can&#039;t even be sure that Henry the Eighth burped right after breakfast! Not all is thought of as this hopeless, of course; but there are those who think that they have solutions to determine &quot;who said what&quot; in hand. Specifically, the Jesus Seminar professes to use certain guidelines to determine what Jesus actually said: One, for example, is that any saying of Jesus that reflects a teaching of the early church is probably not authentic. This is indeed a dubious guideline. Is it not more probable, rather, that the early church based their teachings on the actual sayings of Jesus? Is this not the normal method whereby any person gains a following? 

However, there is ample indication that the early church based its doctrine on things Jesus said and did, including His claims to divinity, rather than inventing what He said and did after formulating the doctrines. Craig [Craig.ApIn, 160] reports:

Studies by New Testament scholars such as Martin Hengel of Tubingen University, C. F. D. Moule of Cambridge, and others have proved that within twenty years of the crucifixion a full-blown Christology proclaiming Jesus as God incarnate existed. How does one explain this worship by monotheistic Jews of one of their countrymen as God incarnate, apart from the claims of Jesus himself?
The oldest liturgical prayer recorded, in 1 Corinthians 16:22, is dated at around 55 A.D. It refers to Jesus as Lord. So does the earliest sermon and the earliest account of martyrdom. The authors of the NT epistles, including and especially Paul, even in his undisputed letters, use the language of divine Wisdom with reference to Jesus. The earliest pagan report of the church&#039;s activities indicates that Jesus was worshipped as Lord. Paul&#039;s letters, written between 49 and 65 A.D., exhibit the same fully-evolved Christology; logically, he must have gotten it from sometime earlier than 49 A.D. Paul cites creeds, hymns and sayings of Jesus that must have come from earlier (Rom. 1:3-4; 1 Cor. 11:23; Col. 1:15-16; Phil. 2:6-11; 1 Tim. 3:16; 2 Tim. 2:8); these items translate easily into Aramaic and show features of Hebrew poetry and thought-forms, which allows us to trace their origins to Jesus&#039; first followers in Judea, between 33 and 48 A.D. [More.ScCy, 161-5] All of this leads to the inevitable conclusion that the concept of Jesus as divine quite definitely existed within, at the very least, a decade of the crucifixion, and therefore, was likely to have been asserted before His death by Jesus Himself, as is recorded in the Gospels. Similarly, O&#039;Collins observes [OColl.Ch, 24-5]:

The oldest Christian document shows us Paul repeatedly calling Jesus &#039;Christ&#039; in a way that suggests that, within twenty years of Jesus&#039; death and resurrection, this comprehensive title for Jesus&#039; identity and powers was simply taken for granted by Paul and his readers, had practically lost its original significance, and was almost his second (personal) name (1 Thess. 1:1, 3; 5:23, 28). In a notable pre-Pauline formulation, which also goes back to the earliest years of Christianity, &#039;Christ&#039; seems already to have lost much of its titular significance (or messianic expectations) and to be functioning largely as an alternative name for Jesus (1 Cor. 15:3). In his letters Paul uses &#039;Christ&#039; 270 times but never considers it necessary to argue explicitly that Jesus is &#039;the Christ&#039; whom Israel expected.
Moreover, as Charlesworth notes, if the church had invented Jesus&#039; claims to divinity, they certainly &quot;would have been more explicit&quot; than they are in their present form. [Wilk.JUF, 26] Such a reaction begs a historical explanation, and thus we have every reason to believe that Jesus did claim something very unique about Himself and His relationship to God, to the point of identifying Himself with divinity, and no reason to doubt what is recorded in the Gospels is reliable and accurate - and it is to that issue that we now turn.



You Just Don&#039;t Understand 
And now to the next suggestion - that perhaps Jesus did say some or all of the things the Gospels attribute to Him, but that He was misunderstood by his followers. Regrettably, with this objection often comes either some outrageous Eastern/mystical interpretation of the claims of Jesus that would never have held water in Judaism - or nothing at all but the suggestion itself without alternative. (One must, of course, when making this suggestion, one should actually name some alternative interpretations of the claims of Jesus and show that these &quot;alternative interpretations&quot; would hold water within the socio-historical context of the Gospel records.) Nevertheless, this argument can be defeated by critically examining the claims attributed to Jesus by the Synoptics (again, for the sake of argument, ignoring John&#039;s Gospel) and determine what meaning they did have in the context of first-century Judea and Judaism.

We now offer these mini-essays evaluating the claims of Jesus from the Synoptic Gospels. For a broader study, we recommend Glenn Miller&#039;s trinity series also, from which we will also draw here.




Jesus as the Wisdom of God 
The Son of Man Title 
Use of &quot;Abba&quot; 
Use of &quot;I Say Unto You&quot; 
The &quot;I Am&quot; claims 
Miscellaneous Claims 


Creative Followers? 
If Jesus never claimed to be divine, and never claimed it in the sense that is indicated in the Gospels, it is reasonable to expect that:

The enemies of Christianity and the early church would have declared that Jesus never made such claims, or was misunderstood. Some did indeed do this, but wrote quite some time after the fact. There is no record contemporary or closely contemporary with Jesus (first century AD) that indicates that He never made any special claims for Himself, or that the church invented the claims. Even after that time, however, the major skeptics of the first several centuries never argued this point. Celsus, for example, said that Jesus called Himself the Son of God, but wrongly. Porphyry, one of the most-feared skeptics in the early church, did not deny Jesus&#039; claims to divinity, but instead tried to &#039;downgrade&#039; Jesus into a hero-type deity (a third-class deity in the Roman hierarchy!). This adds up to strong evidence that (a) the Jesus-never-claimed-divinity argument had not been advanced by skeptics of the time, and (b) if it was used, perhaps by some skeptic whose works we have totally lost, it was so easily dismissed or so lacked adequate credibility that it could not be used by the best anti-Christian skeptics. 
A parallel movement, that acclaimed Jesus as merely a good teacher, would have emerged alongside Christianity. To be sure, there are those such as Burton L. Mack, author of The Lost Gospel, who would have us believe that a such a movement did exist; but conveniently enough, he tells us, it came and went too quickly to leave behind any concrete physical evidence for us to know what happened to them! 
As it is, there are no extant texts from the first century, or even from the century thereafter, that represent Jesus as claiming to be only human or only a prophet--He is ALWAYS portrayed as making exalted claims to a super-human status. Later heresies of the church, such as Gnosticism, involved paganistic and/or mystical additions upon what Jesus meant in the Gospels when He claimed to be God; they never denied that He made any special claims about Himself. As we noted previously, the earliest known pagan critic of Christianity to address the issue, Celsus, argued that Jesus did apply the title &quot;Son of God&quot; to Himself, but wrongly [Wilk.ChrRom, 109]; only much later did those critics deny that Jesus made such claims. The argument that Jesus never claimed to be divine is in fact nothing more than an unsupportable conjecture, an argument from silence competing against the scream of the available data. Each of the above claims, and every known document of the church, even the heretical ones, acknowledge that Jesus claimed divinity. There is absolutely no evidence to the contrary that can be cited. Saying that there is no evidence that Jesus claimed divinity can only be managed by ignoring reams of evidence, or by facile dismissal. 

And now the final point, which will lead into our essay on the trilemma. If we allow that Jesus&#039; claims were manufactured by His followers, or that His claims were misunderstood by them, we do nothing more than create a different sort of trilemma! Jesus&#039; followers were either:

A.Telling the truth, and they knew it; 

B.Telling a lie, and they knew it; or, 

C.Telling a lie, and they didn&#039;t know it because they misunderstood. 

If we choose B), we are left to wonder what motivated Jesus&#039; followers to begin lying and maintain that lie. They did not benefit at all by claiming that their Master was God incarnate: They were ostracized, criticized, rejected, persecuted, and in many cases martyred. Nor did they make loads of money by claiming what they did - no Jim Bakkers in this crowd! This being the case, we may ask why none of Jesus&#039; followers cracked under pressure, or got fed up with persecutions and inconveniences, and admitted that the divinity claims by Jesus were a fabrication. We may, of course, speculate that it is possible that Jesus&#039; followers lied, but there are no signed confessions, no counterclaims by the Pharisees trumpeting the recanting of a disciple of Jesus - nothing. To argue this, we must argue from silence. More than that, we must argue AGAINST the data of their lives and the witness of history. To raise it as a MERE possibility does not constitute advancing evidence for the speculation. 

Choosing C) offers a slightly more hopeful refuge for the skeptic. It may be objected that Jesus spoke rather cryptically at times, so that perhaps He truly was misunderstood. But as we have shown in the linked essays, it is hardly plausible that Jesus&#039; claims were misunderstood; they are too clear-cut when understood in the context of the time and place they were made. Moreover, are there not also degrees of metaphorical difficulty? Some metaphors are easier to understand than others, and some people understand and interpret metaphor better than others! So, how can we be sure that Jesus&#039; followers didn&#039;t at some point correctly grasp what He was saying? It is only in our modern-day arrogance that we say that they were incorrect, and we, looking down the tunnel of 2000 years, are better qualified to understand (and contrary to evidence!) what Jesus actually said! 

Finally, we are told that Jesus DID explain things to His disciples privately after the crowds were gone: &quot;He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.&quot; (Mark 4:34 - this was standard practice for an inner circle of disciples. For a practical example of this, see the Parable of the Sower in Matt. 13.) These, of course, represent the people who wrote (Matthew, John) or else supplied information for (Mark, Luke) the Gospels. And at any rate, many of the claims to divinity are quite direct, and not in the least metaphorical. 



Conclusion 
Jesus claimed to be God the Son. No matter how hard we try to dissect it or explain it away, the evidence points directly to that most special claim made by Jesus. One must now answer His question: &quot;Who do you say that I am?&quot;

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<p>The Assertion of Godhood </p>
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<p>It&#8217;s alarmingly simple, and a common suggestion to make: That Jesus either a) never made any claims to deity; b) that His claims were altered by His biased followers; or, c) His claims were misunderstood by His ignorant followers. Do these ideas hold any water?</p>
<p>A related argument in this regard is that only John&#8217;s Gospel portrays Jesus as claiming to be God; and since it is later than the Synoptics, the claims are the result of an evolution in Christian theology. Now there is no a priori reason to reject John&#8217;s Gospel, or even to date it as the latest of the present quartet. Indeed, John A. T. Robinson in Redating the New Testament and in The Priority of John, presents a cogent argument for dating John in the same time period as the other Gospels, between 50-65 AD, with proto-gospel material and traditions dating into the two decades previous. Others have presented similar arguments for an earlier date for John than is often presumed (see particularly Chars.JDSS, 167-9). A full discussion of the date of the Johannine Gospel is beyond our scope in this essay, but we will, for the sake of argument, not consider most of the claims to divinity in John&#8217;s Gospel. For now, at the end of this section, we shall only address one piece of John which is a key to understanding the claims that it includes. (Furthermore, we may not simply reject the record of John&#8217;s Gospel because we find it incredible that Jesus should have made such direct claims to divinity &#8211; that, indeed, is the very point at issue!) </p>
<p>And what of the Synoptics? The fact is that there are ample recorded claims of divinity by Jesus in the Synoptics, which operate against the assumption that only John shows Jesus making such claims. The divinity claims in the Synoptics give a quite unambiguous statement of what Jesus meant when He made those claims. We do NOT, of course, find the direct claim: &#8220;I AM GOD.&#8221; That would have been a little too confusing to Jesus&#8217; hearers, and at any rate, would not have been precisely correct, only generally correct. The claims, as we shall see, are more precisely fitting to the proclamation: &#8220;Jesus is God the Son; the Wisdom and Word of God&#8221; &#8211; i.e., the second person of the Trinity, which, ontologically, makes Jesus co-equal with God. Even the NT itself, though it refers to Jesus as God (cf. John 1:1, 20:28), shows a preference for expressing Jesus&#8217; divinity through titles: Word, Savior, Son of God, Lord &#8211; and by using language to describe Jesus that is appropriated from OT attributions to Yahweh [OColl.Ch, 144-5]. There were reasons for this, as Brown [Brow.JesGM, 33-4] points out, regarding the hesitation in the NT to directly ascribe the title &#8220;God&#8221; to Jesus:</p>
<p>The most plausible explanation is that in the earliest stage of Christianity the Old Testament heritage dominated the use of the title &#8216;God&#8217;; hence &#8216;God&#8217; was a title too narrow to be applied to Jesus. It referred strictly to the Father of Jesus, to the God whom he prayed. Gradually (in the 50s and 60s?), in the development of Christian thought, &#8216;God&#8217; was understood to be a broader term. It was seen that God had revealed so much of Himself in Jesus that &#8216;God&#8217; had to be able to include both Father and Son.<br />
Harris [Harr.3Cruc, 99-103] agrees with the above in his own analysis, and adds that there would be a certain &#8220;linguistic ambiguity&#8221; in directly and always referring to Jesus as God &#8211; to wit: What would we make of the verse that said, &#8220;the Father was in God, reconciling the world to himself&#8221;? For the sake of clarity, the distinction had to be kept foremost in the text. (Harris notes other reasons for the distinction; among them, the need to avoid a misunderstanding of there being two Gods; a need to keep the emphasis upon the humanity of Jesus without expense to His Deity; and in our own time, the problem of our language making &#8220;Jesus is God&#8221; mean the same thing as &#8220;God is Jesus&#8221; &#8211; which suggests a numerical identity which is NOT part of the total package.) </p>
<p>The claims of Jesus, at any rate, can be understood and interpreted in light of the context and setting in which they were made: first-century Judea. But what of defending the authenticity of these claims as being the words of Jesus, rather than the invention of his followers? Generally, how valid is this idea that Jesus never claimed divinity? Broken down, it can never be more than a rhetorical and speculative argument; until some device is invented to pluck long-enunciated words from the air, we can not prove, or disprove, that any given historical personage prior to recording technology said anything &#8211; and even then there is the possible problem of tampering and doctored records. We can&#8217;t absolutely prove that Jesus said &#8220;Blessed are the meek&#8221;; we cannot demonstrate beyond doubt that Julius Caesar said &#8220;Et tu, brute&#8221;; we can&#8217;t even be sure that Henry the Eighth burped right after breakfast! Not all is thought of as this hopeless, of course; but there are those who think that they have solutions to determine &#8220;who said what&#8221; in hand. Specifically, the Jesus Seminar professes to use certain guidelines to determine what Jesus actually said: One, for example, is that any saying of Jesus that reflects a teaching of the early church is probably not authentic. This is indeed a dubious guideline. Is it not more probable, rather, that the early church based their teachings on the actual sayings of Jesus? Is this not the normal method whereby any person gains a following? </p>
<p>However, there is ample indication that the early church based its doctrine on things Jesus said and did, including His claims to divinity, rather than inventing what He said and did after formulating the doctrines. Craig [Craig.ApIn, 160] reports:</p>
<p>Studies by New Testament scholars such as Martin Hengel of Tubingen University, C. F. D. Moule of Cambridge, and others have proved that within twenty years of the crucifixion a full-blown Christology proclaiming Jesus as God incarnate existed. How does one explain this worship by monotheistic Jews of one of their countrymen as God incarnate, apart from the claims of Jesus himself?<br />
The oldest liturgical prayer recorded, in 1 Corinthians 16:22, is dated at around 55 A.D. It refers to Jesus as Lord. So does the earliest sermon and the earliest account of martyrdom. The authors of the NT epistles, including and especially Paul, even in his undisputed letters, use the language of divine Wisdom with reference to Jesus. The earliest pagan report of the church&#8217;s activities indicates that Jesus was worshipped as Lord. Paul&#8217;s letters, written between 49 and 65 A.D., exhibit the same fully-evolved Christology; logically, he must have gotten it from sometime earlier than 49 A.D. Paul cites creeds, hymns and sayings of Jesus that must have come from earlier (Rom. 1:3-4; 1 Cor. 11:23; Col. 1:15-16; Phil. 2:6-11; 1 Tim. 3:16; 2 Tim. 2:8); these items translate easily into Aramaic and show features of Hebrew poetry and thought-forms, which allows us to trace their origins to Jesus&#8217; first followers in Judea, between 33 and 48 A.D. [More.ScCy, 161-5] All of this leads to the inevitable conclusion that the concept of Jesus as divine quite definitely existed within, at the very least, a decade of the crucifixion, and therefore, was likely to have been asserted before His death by Jesus Himself, as is recorded in the Gospels. Similarly, O&#8217;Collins observes [OColl.Ch, 24-5]:</p>
<p>The oldest Christian document shows us Paul repeatedly calling Jesus &#8216;Christ&#8217; in a way that suggests that, within twenty years of Jesus&#8217; death and resurrection, this comprehensive title for Jesus&#8217; identity and powers was simply taken for granted by Paul and his readers, had practically lost its original significance, and was almost his second (personal) name (1 Thess. 1:1, 3; 5:23, 28). In a notable pre-Pauline formulation, which also goes back to the earliest years of Christianity, &#8216;Christ&#8217; seems already to have lost much of its titular significance (or messianic expectations) and to be functioning largely as an alternative name for Jesus (1 Cor. 15:3). In his letters Paul uses &#8216;Christ&#8217; 270 times but never considers it necessary to argue explicitly that Jesus is &#8216;the Christ&#8217; whom Israel expected.<br />
Moreover, as Charlesworth notes, if the church had invented Jesus&#8217; claims to divinity, they certainly &#8220;would have been more explicit&#8221; than they are in their present form. [Wilk.JUF, 26] Such a reaction begs a historical explanation, and thus we have every reason to believe that Jesus did claim something very unique about Himself and His relationship to God, to the point of identifying Himself with divinity, and no reason to doubt what is recorded in the Gospels is reliable and accurate &#8211; and it is to that issue that we now turn.</p>
<p>You Just Don&#8217;t Understand<br />
And now to the next suggestion &#8211; that perhaps Jesus did say some or all of the things the Gospels attribute to Him, but that He was misunderstood by his followers. Regrettably, with this objection often comes either some outrageous Eastern/mystical interpretation of the claims of Jesus that would never have held water in Judaism &#8211; or nothing at all but the suggestion itself without alternative. (One must, of course, when making this suggestion, one should actually name some alternative interpretations of the claims of Jesus and show that these &#8220;alternative interpretations&#8221; would hold water within the socio-historical context of the Gospel records.) Nevertheless, this argument can be defeated by critically examining the claims attributed to Jesus by the Synoptics (again, for the sake of argument, ignoring John&#8217;s Gospel) and determine what meaning they did have in the context of first-century Judea and Judaism.</p>
<p>We now offer these mini-essays evaluating the claims of Jesus from the Synoptic Gospels. For a broader study, we recommend Glenn Miller&#8217;s trinity series also, from which we will also draw here.</p>
<p>Jesus as the Wisdom of God<br />
The Son of Man Title<br />
Use of &#8220;Abba&#8221;<br />
Use of &#8220;I Say Unto You&#8221;<br />
The &#8220;I Am&#8221; claims<br />
Miscellaneous Claims </p>
<p>Creative Followers?<br />
If Jesus never claimed to be divine, and never claimed it in the sense that is indicated in the Gospels, it is reasonable to expect that:</p>
<p>The enemies of Christianity and the early church would have declared that Jesus never made such claims, or was misunderstood. Some did indeed do this, but wrote quite some time after the fact. There is no record contemporary or closely contemporary with Jesus (first century AD) that indicates that He never made any special claims for Himself, or that the church invented the claims. Even after that time, however, the major skeptics of the first several centuries never argued this point. Celsus, for example, said that Jesus called Himself the Son of God, but wrongly. Porphyry, one of the most-feared skeptics in the early church, did not deny Jesus&#8217; claims to divinity, but instead tried to &#8216;downgrade&#8217; Jesus into a hero-type deity (a third-class deity in the Roman hierarchy!). This adds up to strong evidence that (a) the Jesus-never-claimed-divinity argument had not been advanced by skeptics of the time, and (b) if it was used, perhaps by some skeptic whose works we have totally lost, it was so easily dismissed or so lacked adequate credibility that it could not be used by the best anti-Christian skeptics.<br />
A parallel movement, that acclaimed Jesus as merely a good teacher, would have emerged alongside Christianity. To be sure, there are those such as Burton L. Mack, author of The Lost Gospel, who would have us believe that a such a movement did exist; but conveniently enough, he tells us, it came and went too quickly to leave behind any concrete physical evidence for us to know what happened to them!<br />
As it is, there are no extant texts from the first century, or even from the century thereafter, that represent Jesus as claiming to be only human or only a prophet&#8211;He is ALWAYS portrayed as making exalted claims to a super-human status. Later heresies of the church, such as Gnosticism, involved paganistic and/or mystical additions upon what Jesus meant in the Gospels when He claimed to be God; they never denied that He made any special claims about Himself. As we noted previously, the earliest known pagan critic of Christianity to address the issue, Celsus, argued that Jesus did apply the title &#8220;Son of God&#8221; to Himself, but wrongly [Wilk.ChrRom, 109]; only much later did those critics deny that Jesus made such claims. The argument that Jesus never claimed to be divine is in fact nothing more than an unsupportable conjecture, an argument from silence competing against the scream of the available data. Each of the above claims, and every known document of the church, even the heretical ones, acknowledge that Jesus claimed divinity. There is absolutely no evidence to the contrary that can be cited. Saying that there is no evidence that Jesus claimed divinity can only be managed by ignoring reams of evidence, or by facile dismissal. </p>
<p>And now the final point, which will lead into our essay on the trilemma. If we allow that Jesus&#8217; claims were manufactured by His followers, or that His claims were misunderstood by them, we do nothing more than create a different sort of trilemma! Jesus&#8217; followers were either:</p>
<p>A.Telling the truth, and they knew it; </p>
<p>B.Telling a lie, and they knew it; or, </p>
<p>C.Telling a lie, and they didn&#8217;t know it because they misunderstood. </p>
<p>If we choose B), we are left to wonder what motivated Jesus&#8217; followers to begin lying and maintain that lie. They did not benefit at all by claiming that their Master was God incarnate: They were ostracized, criticized, rejected, persecuted, and in many cases martyred. Nor did they make loads of money by claiming what they did &#8211; no Jim Bakkers in this crowd! This being the case, we may ask why none of Jesus&#8217; followers cracked under pressure, or got fed up with persecutions and inconveniences, and admitted that the divinity claims by Jesus were a fabrication. We may, of course, speculate that it is possible that Jesus&#8217; followers lied, but there are no signed confessions, no counterclaims by the Pharisees trumpeting the recanting of a disciple of Jesus &#8211; nothing. To argue this, we must argue from silence. More than that, we must argue AGAINST the data of their lives and the witness of history. To raise it as a MERE possibility does not constitute advancing evidence for the speculation. </p>
<p>Choosing C) offers a slightly more hopeful refuge for the skeptic. It may be objected that Jesus spoke rather cryptically at times, so that perhaps He truly was misunderstood. But as we have shown in the linked essays, it is hardly plausible that Jesus&#8217; claims were misunderstood; they are too clear-cut when understood in the context of the time and place they were made. Moreover, are there not also degrees of metaphorical difficulty? Some metaphors are easier to understand than others, and some people understand and interpret metaphor better than others! So, how can we be sure that Jesus&#8217; followers didn&#8217;t at some point correctly grasp what He was saying? It is only in our modern-day arrogance that we say that they were incorrect, and we, looking down the tunnel of 2000 years, are better qualified to understand (and contrary to evidence!) what Jesus actually said! </p>
<p>Finally, we are told that Jesus DID explain things to His disciples privately after the crowds were gone: &#8220;He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.&#8221; (Mark 4:34 &#8211; this was standard practice for an inner circle of disciples. For a practical example of this, see the Parable of the Sower in Matt. 13.) These, of course, represent the people who wrote (Matthew, John) or else supplied information for (Mark, Luke) the Gospels. And at any rate, many of the claims to divinity are quite direct, and not in the least metaphorical. </p>
<p>Conclusion<br />
Jesus claimed to be God the Son. No matter how hard we try to dissect it or explain it away, the evidence points directly to that most special claim made by Jesus. One must now answer His question: &#8220;Who do you say that I am?&#8221;</p>
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JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY
Compiled by William Kilgore 

That Jesus Christ is Himself YHWH (1), God Almighty come in the flesh, is so obviously taught in Scripture that it is baffling to hear some who claim adherence to the Bible deny it. Yet many sects such as the Jehovah&#039;s Witnessess, Armstrongism, the Christadelphians, the Way International, etc., etc. not only make this denial but teach their followers that it is Biblical to do so! 
What follows is a presentation of what Scripture teaches concerning Christ&#039;s Deity. The basic text of this article is made up primarily of Scripture passages. The King James Version is basically followed, though some ultra-archaic wording may be updated. I have italicized words necessarily inserted by the KJV translators, just as they did. Clarifications are inserted in parenthesis, and key words are emphasized for the reader using bold type. All Scripture references are in red type.
Explanatory remarks are made occasionally, but have been kept to a minimum. Any quotes or sources are contained in the endnotes.
THE WORSHIP ISSUE 
God&#039;s Word is explicit in teaching that YHWH alone is to be &quot;worshipped&quot; (Ex. 34:14; Ps. 81:9; 97:7; Matt. 4:10/Luke 4:8; Rev. 19:10). We are given examples in God&#039;s Word of people who were rebuked, chastised, or judged for worshipping the creation (Zeph. 1:5; Acts 7:42; Romans 1:25), &quot;gods&quot; (Joshua 24; 2 Kings 17; 1 Cor. 8:5), idols (Lev. 19:4; 26:1; 1 Chr. 16:26; 2 Chron. 34:7; 1 Cor. 10:14; 1 Jn. 5:21), images (Ex. 20:4; Isa. 42:8, 17; 44:15; Jer. 8:19; Rom. 1:23; Rev. 16:2; 19:20), &quot;relics&quot; (2 Kings 18:4), material things (Matt. 16:26; Luke 12:20; Acts 17:29; Col. 3:5), &quot;saints&quot; (Matt. 17:4; Acts 10:25-26), and even angels (Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10).
God says, &quot;I am YHWH: that is My Name: and My glory I will not give to another ... For My own sake, even for My own sake, will I do it: for how should My Name be polluted? and I will not give My glory to another.&quot; - Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11.
With the above in mind, now read the following passages of Scripture concerning none other than Jesus Christ : 
1. &quot; ... (the wise men) saw the young child (newborn Jesus) with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him (JESUS- not His mother!) ... &quot; MATTHEW 2:11 
2. &quot;And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped Him ...&quot; MATTHEW 8:2 
3. &quot;Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped Him, saying, &#039;It is true You are the Son of God.&#039;&quot; MATTHEW 14:33 
4. &quot;And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, &#039;All hail.&#039; And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him.&quot; MATTHEW 28:9 
5. &quot;And when they saw Him (JESUS), they worshipped Him; but some doubted.&quot; MATTHEW 28:17 
6. &quot;But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped Him.&quot; MARK 5:6 
7. &quot;And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven, and they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy ...&quot; LUKE 24:52 
8. &quot;And he (a &#039;sinner&#039;) said, &#039;Lord, I believe,&#039; and he worshipped Him.&quot; JOHN 9:38 
9. &quot;And again, when (The Father) brings in the First-begotten into the world, He says, &#039;And let all the angels of God worship Him (JESUS- Psalm 148:2).&#039;&quot; HEBREWS 1:6 
10. &quot;And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, &#039;Worthy is the Lamb (JESUS) that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard, I saying, &#039;Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb (JESUS) forever and ever. And the four beasts said, &#039;Amen.&#039; And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped Him that lives forever and ever.&quot; REVELATION 5:12-14 
There is no way around this fact of Scripture : Jesus Christ is worshipped. God says that He will not share His glory with &quot;another.&quot; Yet those who deny Christ&#039;s Deity must insist that He do just this, because if Jesus is worshipped but is not God Himself, then God has given His glory to &quot;another.&quot; Next time you speak with one who denies that Jesus is God show them the above words penned by Isaiah the prophet. As he/she reads the passage say : &quot;You&#039;ve got a serious problem there, friend!&quot;
Reader, this is the crux of all debates concerning the Deity of Christ : He is worshipped, and that with His Own approval and the approval of the Father. He is often worshipped by Jews in the above passages - Jews who would never deny their monotheistic faith! How much clearer can it get? If this fact alone were all the proof I had for Christ&#039;s Deity, I would be on solid ground.
THE OLD TESTAMENT
Although most often speaking proleptically of Christ in His humanity, the Old Testament contains some very clear passages that set forth His Deity : 
1. &quot;(Job speaking) For I know that my Redeemer lives (present tense), and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth (obviously Christ at His second coming- Rev. 21-22): And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God (obviously Christ- John 1:18; 14:9; Rev. 22): Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another (Christ is truly God) ... &quot; JOB 19:25-27 
 
2. &quot;For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God (YHWH Himself- cf. Isa. 10:21; 49:26; Jer. 32:18), The Everlasting Father (John 14:9-10; Heb. 3:6), the Prince of Peace (cf. Eph. 2:14) ... &quot; ISAIAH 9:6 
 
3. &quot;But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth (JESUS- cf. Matt. 2:1, 5-6; Luke 2:4; John 7:42) unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth (Heb. &#039;mowtsa&#039;ah&#039;= a family descent) have been from of old, from everlasting (Heb. &#039;olam&#039;= eternity; cf. Ps. 90:2; Jer. 10:10) ... &quot; MICAH 5:2 
 
4. &quot;Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me (YHWH): and the Lord, Whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom you delight in: behold, He shall come, says YHWH of Hosts. But who may abide the day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appears? for He is like a refiner&#039;s fire, and like fuller&#039;s soap (cf. Matt. 3:11) ...&quot; MALACHI 3:1-2 
PARALLEL PASSAGES 
It is a simple matter to demonstrate that Jesus Christ is God Himself by carefully reading certain parallel passages of Scripture: 
1. &quot;(YHWH speaking to Moses - v. 5) Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink.&quot; EXODUS 17:6
WITH
&quot;(Israel) did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them; and that Rock was Christ (cf. Psalm 18:2).&quot; 1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 
 
2. &quot; ... the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH your God ... For in six days YHWH 
made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them: therefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it (Gen. 2:2-3).&quot; EXODUS 20:10-11 
WITH 
&quot;For the Son of Man (JESUS) is Lord even of the sabbath day.&quot; MATTHEW 12:8 
 
3. &quot;And YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people ... &quot; NUMBERS 21:6
WITH
&quot;Neither let us tempt Christ as some of them (Israel) also tempted (cf. Exodus 17:2), and were destroyed of serpents.&quot; 1 CORINTHIANS 10:9 
 
4. &quot;And Manoah said to the Angel of YHWH, &#039;What is Your Name, that when Your 
sayings come to pass we may do you honour?&#039; And the Angel of YHWH (God Himself - see vv. 16,22) said to him, &#039;Why do you ask My Name, seeing it is secret (or, wonderful - Isa. 9:6)?&#039;&quot; JUDGES 13:17-18
WITH
&quot; ... He (JESUS) had a Name written that no man knew, but He Himself.&quot; 
REVELATION 19:12 
 
5. &quot;YHWH killeth and maketh alive: He bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.&quot; 1 SAMUEL 2:6
WITH
&quot;For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.&quot; JOHN 5:21 
 
6. &quot;But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the 
heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house (the temple) which I (David) have built (Mal. 3:1)!&quot; 2 CHRONICLES 6:18
WITH
&quot;But I (JESUS) say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple (meaning Himself).&quot; MATTHEW 12:6 
 

7. &quot;But Thou (God - v. 24) are the same, and Thy years shall have no end.&quot; PSALM 102:27 
WITH
&quot;Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever.&quot; HEBREWS 13:8 
 

8. &quot;Then (Isaiah) said, &#039;Woe is me! for I am undone: because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, YHWH of Hosts.&#039;&quot; ISAIAH 6:5 
WITH 
&quot;These things (Isaiah) said when he saw His (JESUS) glory, and spoke of Him.&quot; 
JOHN 12:41 
 

9. &quot;Sanctify YHWH of Hosts Himself ... and He shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel ... &quot; 
ISAIAH 8:13-14 
WITH 
&quot;To you therefore which believe He (JESUS) is precious; but to them which be 
disobedient the same is made ... a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence (Psalm 118:22; Luke 2:34; Rom. 9:33) ... &quot; 1 PETER 2:7-8 
 

10. &quot;The voice of him who cries in the wilderness, &#039;Prepare ye the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God&#039; ... And the Glory of YHWH shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together (John 1:14) ... &quot; ISAIAH 40:3,5 
WITH 
&quot;For (John the Baptist) is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, &#039;The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord (that is, JESUS- Mal. 3:1; Mark 1:3; Luke 1:16-17; 3:4; John 1:23) ... &quot; MATTHEW 3:3 
 

11. &quot;For I am YHWH your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour ...&quot; ISAIAH 43:3 
WITH 
&quot;But ye denied the Holy One and the Just (i.e., they rejected JESUS) ... &quot; ACTS 3:14 
 

12. &quot;I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no Saviour (Psalm 3:8; Isa. 45:21-22; Hosea 13:4; John 4:42).&quot; ISAIAH 43:11 
WITH
&quot;Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (2 Pe. 3:18).&quot; ACTS 4:12 
 

13. &quot;Thus says YHWH the King of Israel, and his Redeemer YHWH of Hosts; I am the First, and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no God (Isa. 41:4; 48:12).&quot; 
ISAIAH 44:6 
WITH
&quot; ... I (JESUS) am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last ...&quot; REVELATION 1:11 
 

14. &quot;For thus says YHWH ... unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.&quot; ISAIAH 45:18, 23 
WITH
&quot;That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow ... And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (used in the Gr. OT for Heb. &#039;YHWH&#039;) to the glory of God the Father.&quot; PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 
 

15. &quot;In YHWH shall all the seed of Israel (Rom. 11) be justified, and shall glory.&quot; 
ISAIAH 45:25 
WITH
&quot;But of (God) are you in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made to us wisdom, and 
righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That according as it is written, &#039;He that glories, let him glory in the Lord&#039; (Jer. 9:23).&quot; 1 CORINTHIANS 1:29-30 
 

16. &quot;In His (JESUS - see v. 5) days Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His Name whereby He shall be called, YHWH our Righteousness.&quot; JEREMIAH 23:6 
WITH 
&quot; ... to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness 
of God and our Saviour (Grk. = &#039;of our God and Saviour&#039;) Jesus Christ (cf. Ro. 10:4; 1 Cor. 1:30).&quot; 2 PETER 1:1 
 

17. &quot;And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of YHWH shall be delivered (i.e., &#039;saved&#039;) ... &quot; JOEL 2:32 
WITH 
&quot;For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord (JESUS - v. 9) shall be saved 
(cf. Acts 2:21).&quot; ROMANS 10:13 
 
18. &quot;(YHWH speaking) And it shall come to pass in that day ... they shall look upon Me Whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him (note the use of pronouns here) ... &quot; ZECHARIAH 12:9-10 
WITH
&quot;(Referring to Christ) And again another scripture says, &#039;They shall look on Him 
(changed from &#039;Me&#039;) Whom they pierced (cf. Rev. 1:7).&#039;&quot; JOHN 19:37 
 



19. &quot; ... YHWH my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.&quot; ZECHARIAH 14:5 
WITH 
&quot; ... at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints (cf. 4:14; Jude 14).&quot; 
1 THESSALONIANS 3:13 
 

20. &quot;I am YHWH, I change not (cf. James 1:17) ... &quot; MALACHI 3:6 
WITH 
&quot;Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.&quot; HEBREWS 13:8 
 

21. &quot; ... it is written (in Deut. 32:35), &#039;Vengeance is Mine: I will repay, says the Lord 
(YHWH) ... &#039;&quot; ROMANS 12:19 
WITH
&quot; ... the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels; In flaming 
fire taking vengeance ... &quot; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-8 
 

22. &quot;Which in His (JESUS) times He shall show Who is (referring to God) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords ... &quot; 1 TIMOTHY 6:15 
WITH
&quot;And He (JESUS) has on His vesture and on His thigh a Name written: KING OF 
KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS (cf. 17:14) ... &quot; REVELATION 19:16

The above comparisons (by no means exhaustive) are obvious, clearly revealing that the Lord Jesus Christ is none other than God Himself. Note that in many cases the writers of the New Testament applied Old Testament references to YHWH (God Almighty) to Jesus, showing that Jesus is indeed YHWH Himself.
THE NEW TESTAMENT
1. &quot;And (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and you shall call His Name JESUS (YHWH 
Saviour): for He shall save His people from their sins. Now all this was done that 
it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet (Isa. 7:14), saying, &#039;Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His Name Emmanuel,&#039; which being interpreted is, God with us.&quot; MATTHEW 1:21-23 
 
2. &quot;You have heard ... but I (JESUS) say ... &quot; (2) MATTHEW 5:21-22, 27-28 
 
3. &quot;And, behold, one came and said to (JESUS), &#039;Good Master ... &#039; ... But (JESUS) 
said to him, &#039;Why do you call Me good? there is none good but One, that is, God.&quot; 
MATTHEW 19:16-17 (Mark 10:18/Luke 19:19) (3) 
 

4. &quot;While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, &#039;What do you think of Christ? Whose son is He?&#039; They said to Him, &#039;The son of David.&#039; (true - see Matt. 1:1) He said to them, &#039;How then does David in spirit call Him Lord, saying, YHWH said to my Lord, Sit Thou on My right hand, till I make Thine enemies Thy footstool (Psalm 110:1)? If David called Him Lord, then how is He (merely) His Son?&#039; And no man was able to answer Him a word, neither did any man from that day forward ask Him any more questions.&quot; MATTHEW 22:41-45 (Mark 12:35-37/Luke 20:41-44) 
 

5. &quot; ... baptizing (disciples) in the Name (4) (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, 
and of the Holy Spirit.&quot; MATTHEW 28:19 
 

6. &quot;When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the sick of the palsy, &#039;Son, your sins be 
forgiven you.&#039; But there were certain of the sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, &#039;Why does this man speak blasphemies in this way? Who can forgive sins but God only?&#039;&quot; MARK 2:5-7 
 

7. &quot;Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but said to him, &#039;Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and has had compassion on you.&#039; And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis what great things Jesus (God - Lu. 8:39) had done for him ... &quot; MARK 5:19-20 
 
8. &quot; ... whoever shall receive Me (JESUS), receives not Me, but Him that sent Me.&quot; 
MARK 9:37 (Matt. 10:40; Luke 9:48) 
 

9. &quot;And then shall they see the Son of Man (JESUS) coming in the clouds with great 
power and glory. And then shall He (JESUS) send His angels (cf. Matt. 13:41 and 
24:30-31), and shall gather together His elect (cf. Luke 18:7; John 15:16; Romans 
8:33; Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1) ... &quot; MARK 13:26-27 
 

10. &quot;And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud 
voice glorified God, and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks; and he was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering said, &#039;Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, except this stranger.&#039;&quot; LUKE 17:15-18 
 

11. &quot;In the beginning (Gen. 1:1) was the Word (JESUS - cf. v. 14; 1 John 5:7 KJV; 
Rev. 19:13), and the Word was with God (Gen. 1:26; Isa. 48:16; John 17:5; 1 John 1:1-3), and the Word was God (1 John 5:20). The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:15-19). In Him was life (itself - Jn. 5:26); and the life (John 14:6) was the light of men (Jn. 8:12) ... That was the True Light (Jn. 3:19; 1 Jn. 1:5), which lights every man that comes into the world (Psalm 36:9; Jn. 8:12; 9:5). He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not (1 Jn. 3:1) ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23; 1 Tim. 3:16), [and we beheld His glory (Isa. 40:5; Lu. 9:32), the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (Jn. 17:5)], full of grace and truth (cf. v. 17). John (the Baptist) bore witness of Him, and cried, saying, &#039;This was He of Whom I spoke, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for He was before me (John 8:58).&#039; And of His fulness (Col. 1:19 and 2:9 cp. with 2 Peter 1:3-4) (5) have we all received ... No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father (John 3:13 and 8:41), He has declared Him (2 Cor. 4:6). (6) JOHN 1:1-4,9-10,14-16,18 
 

12. &quot;Jesus answered and said to (His disciples), &#039;Destroy this temple (i.e., God in flesh!), and in three days I will raise it up (cf. John 10:18 - proves Divinity - see Acts 3:26 and Romans 8:11) ... (JESUS) spoke of the temple of His body (Col. 2:9; Heb. 10:20).&quot; JOHN 2:19,21 
 

13. &quot;Verily, verily, I (JESUS) say to you (Nicodemus), &#039;We (i.e., the Father and the Son - v. 34) speak (of) that We do know, and testify (to) that We have seen; and you receive not Our witness (1 John 5:7 KJV). If I have told you earthly things, and you believe not, how will you believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven (see ref.s on #14- Jn. 3:31- below), even the Son of Man which is (present tense - i.e., Christ here claims to be simultaneously present both on earth and in heaven) in heaven.&quot; JOHN 3:11-13 
 

14. &quot;He (JESUS) that comes from above is above all; he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth; He that comes from heaven (Matt. 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 3:13; 6:38,51; Eph. 4:9) is above all (Romans 9:5).&quot; JOHN 3:31 
 

15. &quot;But Jesus answered (the Jews), &#039;My Father works hitherto, and I work.&#039; Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.&quot; (7) JOHN 5:17-18 
 

16. &quot;For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; even so, the Son 
quickens whom He will. For the Father judges no man, but has commited all judgment to the Son; that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father (i.e., recognize His Deity). He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father Who sent Him.&quot; JOHN 5:21-23 
 
17. &quot;(Jesus speaking) What and if you shall see the Son of Man ascend up where He was before?&quot; JOHN 6:62 
 

18. &quot;Then they said to Him, &#039;Where is your father?&#039; Jesus answered, &#039;You neither know me, nor My Father: if you had known Me, you should have known My Father also.&quot; JOHN 8:19 
 

19. &quot;And He said to them, &#039;You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore, I said to you that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sins.&#039; Then they said to Him, &#039;Who are you?&#039; And Jesus said to them, &#039;Even the same that I said to you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.&#039; They understood not that He spoke to them of the Father.&quot; JOHN 8:23-27 
 

20. &quot;Jesus said to them, &#039;If God were your Father, you would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.&quot; JOHN 8:42 
 

21. &quot;&#039;Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day (Heb. 11:16): and he saw it, and was glad.&#039; Then the Jews said to (JESUS), &#039;You are not yet fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham?&#039; Jesus said to them, &#039;Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am (God&#039;s title - Exodus 3:14).&#039; Then they took up stones to cast at Him ... &quot; JOHN 8:56-59 
 

22. &quot;&#039;My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck out of My hand. My Father, which gave them (to) Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father&#039;s hand. I and My Father are one.&#039; (8) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, &#039;Many good works have I showed you from My Father; for which of those works do you stone Me?&#039; The Jews answered Him, saying, &#039;For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy (cf. Lev. 24:16); and because that You, being a man, make Yourself God.&#039; Jesus answered them, &#039;Is it not written in your law: (God) said, You are gods? (Psalm 82:6) If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; Say you of Him Whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of My Father, believe Me not. But if I do, though you believe not Me, believe the works; that you may know, and believe, that the Father is in Me, and I in Him. Therefore, they sought again to take Him ...&quot; JOHN 10:28-39 
 

23. &quot;When Jesus heard that, He said, &#039;This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory 
of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.&quot; JOHN 11:4 
 

24. &quot;Jesus cried and said, &#039;He who believes on Me, believes not on Me, but on Him that sent Me (i.e., God); and he who sees Me sees Him that sent Me.&#039;&quot; JOHN 12:44-45 
 

25. &quot;Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God, and went to God ... &quot; JOHN 13:3 
 

26. &quot;You call Me &#039;Master&#039; and &#039;Lord&#039;; and you say well; for so I am.&quot; JOHN 13:13 
 

27. &quot;Now I tell you before it comes, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am He. Verily, verily, I say to you, he that receives whoever I send receives Me; and he that receives Me, receives Him that sent Me.&quot; JOHN 13:19-20 
 

28. &quot;Do not let your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.&quot; 
JOHN 14:1 
 

29. &quot;Jesus says to (Thomas), &#039;I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man comes to the Father, but by Me. If you had known Me, you should have known My Father also: and from henceforth you know Him, and have seen Him.&#039; Philip says to (JESUS), &#039;Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.&#039; Jesus says to (Philip), &#039;Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He that has seen Me has seen the Father; how then do you say, Show us the Father? 
Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of Myself: but the Father Who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me ... &#039;&quot; JOHN 14:7-11 
 

30. &quot;&#039;And I will pray (to) the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it sees Him not, neither knows Him: but you know Him; for He dwells with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world sees Me no more; but you see Me: because I live, you shall live also. At that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He that has My commandments, and keeps them, it is he that loves Me: and he that loves Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.&#039; Judas, not Iscariot, says to (JESUS), &#039;Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?&#039; Jesus answered and said to him, &#039;If a man love Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.&#039;&quot; JOHN 14:16-23 
 

31. &quot;He that hates Me (JESUS) hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no other man did, they had not had sin; but now they have both 
seen and hated both Me and My Father.&quot; JOHN 15:23-24 
 

32. &quot;&#039;These things have I (JESUS) spoken to you in proverbs: but the time comes, when I shall no longer speak to you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father. At that day you shall ask in My Name: and I say not to you, that I will pray (to) the Father for you: for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go (back) to the Father.&#039; His disciples said to Him, &#039;Lo, now You speak plainly, and speak no proverb. Now we are sure that You know all things, and need not that any Man should ask You: by this we believe that You came forth from God.&#039; Jesus answered them, &#039;Do you now believe? Behold, the hour comes, yea, and is now come, that you shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave Me alone: and yet I am not alone,because the Father is with Me.&#039;&quot; JOHN 16:25-32 
 

33. &quot;And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory that I 
had with Thee (9) before the world was (John 1:1-2).&quot; JOHN 17:5 
 

34. &quot;And all Mine (JESUS) are Thine (the Father), and Thine are Mine; and I am 
glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine Own Name those whom Thou has given Me, that they may be one, as We are.&quot; JOHN 17:10-11 
 

35. &quot;And Thomas (a monotheistic Jew) answered and said to (JESUS), &#039;My Lord and My God!&#039;&quot; JOHN 20:28 
 

36. &quot;And (Jews from the synagogue - 6:9) stoned Stephen, (who was) calling upon God, and saying, &#039;Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.&#039;&quot; ACTS 7:59 
 

37. &quot;Then Ananias answered, &#039;Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he has done to Thy saints at Jerusalem: and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all that call upon Thy Name.&#039; But the Lord said to him, &#039;Go your way: for he is a chosen vessel to Me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel; for I will show him what great things he must suffer for My Name&#039;s sake.&#039; And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, &#039;Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared to you in the way as you came, has sent me ... &#039;&quot; ACTS 9:13-17 
 

38. &quot;The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus 
Christ; [He is Lord of all] ... &quot; ACTS 10:36 
 

39. &quot;And they said, &#039;Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved ... &#039; ... And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.&quot; ACTS 16:31,34 
 

40. &quot; ... the church of God, which He has purchased with His Own blood.&quot; ACTS 20:28b 
 

41. &quot;Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God ... For God is my witness, Whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son ... &quot; ROMANS 1:1,9 
 

42. &quot;But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.&quot; ROMANS 8:9 
 

43. &quot; ... of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, Who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.&quot; ROMANS 9:5 
 

44. &quot; ... For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written (in 
Isaiah 45:23), &#039;As I live, says the Lord (YHWH), every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.&#039; So then, every one of us shall give account of himself to God.&quot; ROMANS 14:10-12 
 

45. &quot;But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which 
God ordained before the world, to our glory; which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory (i.e., YHWH Himself - see Psalm 24:7-10; (10) also James 2:1).&quot; 1 CORINTHIANS 2:7-8 
 

46. &quot; ... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God, 
but one. For though there be (those) that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there are gods many, and lords many), but to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by 
Whom are all things, and we by Him.&quot; (11) 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4-6 
 

47. &quot;The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy; the Second Man (JESUS) is the Lord from heaven.&quot; 1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 
 

48. &quot;In whom the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine to them.&quot; (12) 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 
 

49. &quot;And all things are of God, Who has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has 
committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ&#039;s stead, be reconciled to God.&quot; 2 CORINTHIANS 5:18-20 
 

50. &quot;Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship has 
righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has he that believes with an infidel? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God has said (in Lev. 26:12 and Isa. 52:11), &#039;I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore, come out from among them, and be separate,&#039; says the Lord (YHWH), &#039;and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters,&#039; says the Lord Almighty.&quot; 2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18 
 

51. &quot;For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich (i.e., 
as Deity - cf. Phil&#039;p. 2:5-11), yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty (i.e., becoming man) might be rich.&quot; 2 CORINTHIANS 8:9 
 

52. &quot;And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the 
beginning of the world has been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3) ... &quot; EPHESIANS 3:9 
 

53. &quot;He that descended (i.e., from heaven to earth) is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He (JESUS) might fill all things (cf. Eph. 1:23).&quot; EPHESIANS 4:10 
 

54. &quot; ... Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be 
equal with God (John 1:1); but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, (13) and was made in the likeness of men (John 1:14): and being found in fashion (14) as a man, He humbled Himself (type: John 13:3-5; also see 2 Cor. 8:9), and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God (the Father) has also highly exalted Him (i.e., a reclaiming), and given Him a Name which is above every name: that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&quot; PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11 
 

55. &quot;(JESUS) is the Image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of every creature 
(cf. Proverbs 8:22-31): For by Him (JESUS) were all things created that are in 
heaven, or in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, 
or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him (cf. Jn. 
1:1-2), (14) and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist (i.e., Jesus 
is literally the One Who &#039;holds together&#039; reality! - see Neh. 9:6 and Acts 17:28). And He is the Head of the body, the church; Who is the beginning (Grk. &#039;arche,&#039; signifying His rank, power, and authority), the Firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in (JESUS) should all (the) fulness dwell (i.e., Deity - Col. 2:9) ... &quot; 
COLOSSIANS 1:15-19 
 

56. &quot;That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement (Grk. &#039;epignosis&#039; - discern, recognize, become fully acquainted with) of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ (1 Timothy 3:16); In Whom (singular) are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.&quot; COLOSSIANS 2:2-3 
 

57. &quot;For in (JESUS) dwells all the fulness of the Godhead (Grk. &#039;theotes&#039; - literally, Deity) bodily (cf. John 1:16 and 17 (16) ).&quot; COLOSSIANS 2:9 
 

58. &quot;Now God Himself, and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ (note the grammatical structure), direct our way to you.&quot; 1 THESSALONIANS 3:11 
 

59. &quot;For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in 
Jesus will God bring with Him. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord (Rev. 21:3; 22:3-4).&quot; 1 THESSALONIANS 4:14-16 
 

60. &quot;Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and 
Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope.&quot; 1 TIMOTHY 1:1 
 

61. &quot;And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (God was) justified in the Spirit, (God was) seen of angels, (God was) 
preached to the Gentiles, (God was) believed on in the world, (God was) received 
up into glory (all referring to JESUS!).&quot; 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 
 

62. &quot; ... God and the Lord Jesus Christ, Who (singular) shall judge the quick and the 
dead at His (singular) appearing and His (singular) kingdom ... &quot; 2 TIMOTHY 4:1 
 

63. &quot;(God) has in due times manifested His word through preaching, which is commited to me (Paul) according to the commandment of God our Saviour; to Titus, mine own son after the common faith: grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour (cf. 3:4-6).&quot; TITUS 1:3-4 
 

64. &quot;Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and 
our Saviour Jesus Christ ...&quot; TITUS 2:13 
 

65. &quot;God, Who at various times and in different manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He has appointed Heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express (Grk. &#039;charakter&#039; - an exact copy or 
representation) Image of (God&#039;s) Person, and upholding all things by the word of His (JESUS) power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance (because He is God&#039;s &quot;fellow&quot; - His family relation - see Zech. 13:7) obtained a more excellent Name than they.&quot; HEBREWS 1:1-4 
 

66. &quot;But to the Son (the Father) says (in Psalm 45:6-7), &#039;Thy throne, O God, is 
forever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom. Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even Thy God, has anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.&#039; And (17) (in Psalm 102:25-27), &#039;Thou, Lord (YHWH), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands ... &#039;&quot; HEBREWS 1:8-10 
 

67. &quot; ... consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to Him that appointed Him (the Father), as also Moses was faithful in all 
his house. For this Man (JESUS) was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, 
inasmuch as He Who has built the house has more honor than the house. For 
every house is built by some man, but He that built all things is God. And Moses 
truly was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; but Christ as a Son over His Own house ... &quot; HEBREWS 3:1b-6a 
 

68. &quot;(Melchizedek) without father, without mother, without descent, having neither 
beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God ... &quot; HEBREWS 7:3 
 

69. &quot;By a new and living way, which He (JESUS) has consecrated for us, through the 
veil, that is to say, His flesh ... &quot; (18) HEBREWS 10:20 
 

70. &quot;Searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ which was in them (the OT prophets, proving Christ&#039;s preexistence and equating Him with the Holy 
Spirit) did signify ... &quot; 1 PETER 1:11 
 

71. &quot; ... to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the 
righteousness of God and our Saviour (Grk. &#039;of our God and Saviour&#039;) Jesus 
Christ.&quot; 2 PETER 1:1 
 

72. &quot;That which was from the beginning (John 1:1) which we have heard, which we 
have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS - John 1:1,14) [for the Life was manifested (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16) and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show to you that Eternal Life, which was with the Father (John 1:1-2), and was manifested to us ... &quot; 1 JOHN 1:1-2 
 

73. &quot;Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God; therefore the world knows us not, because it knew Him not (John 1:10). Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is ... And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins ...&quot; 1 JOHN 3:1-2,5 
 

74. &quot;Hereby we perceive the love of God, because He laid down His life for us ... &quot; 
1 JOHN 3:16 
 

75. &quot;For there are Three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (JESUS), 
and the Holy Spirit: and these Three are One.&quot; 1 JOHN 5:7 (KJV) (19) 
 

76. &quot;And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son 
Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life (1 John 1:2).&quot; 1 JOHN 5:20 
 

77. &quot; ... the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.&quot; JUDE 4 
 

78. &quot;To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, 
both now and forever. Amen.&quot; JUDE 25 
 

79. &quot;&#039;I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending,&#039; says the Lord, &#039;which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty&#039; (this is JESUS! - see Rev. 1:11,16-18; 2:8; 21:6; 22:13 - this proves His Deity - Gen. 17:1; Isa. 44:6).&quot; REVELATION 1:8 
 

80. &quot;These shall make war with the Lamb (JESUS), and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings (see 1 Tim. 6:15!) ... &quot; REVELATION 17:14 
 

81. &quot;And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out 
of the throne (singular - not &#039;thrones&#039;!) of God and of the Lamb ... And there shall be no more curse; but the throne (singular) of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His (singular - not &#039;their&#039;!) servants shall serve Him (singular - not &#039;them&#039;!); and they shall see His face (not &#039;their faces&#039;!); and His Name (not &#039;their names&#039;! - cf. Zech. 14:9) shall be in their foreheads.&quot; REVELATION 22:1,3-4 (see also 11:15, which uses the same type of grammer) 
 

82. &quot; ... the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel ... &#039;I, Jesus, have sent My angel ... &quot; REVELATION 22:6,16 

The above 82 New Testament passages, along with the rest of the evidence submitted, cannot be explained away. Surely all of the passages are not &quot;mistranslations&quot;! I in no way claim to understand everything about &quot;the mystery of Godliness,&quot; for it is truly a mystery to our finite minds. The historic creeds of the Church perhaps go too far in attempting to explain the &quot;mechanism&quot; of the Incarnation. But what is clear from Scripture is that the Father and the Son are distinct, yet both are actually &quot;one&quot; God (the same of course is true of the Holy Spirit as well). Further, Jesus Christ is truly &quot;God manifest in the flesh.&quot; This gets very complex when we are forced by the same inspired scriptures to acknowledge that Jesus Christ was (and is) truly human - He was conceived, born, ate, breathed, slept, wept, and died. But how can One Who is the Immortal God die? I must confess that I have no idea, but I believe it in faith ... leaving the &quot;secret things&quot; to the Lord my God (Deut. 29:29). 
 
&quot;A man who can read the New Testament and not see 
that Christ claims to be more than a man, can look all 
over the sky at high noon on a cloudless day and not 
see the sun.&quot; (20)
 
END NOTES
(1) This is the name of God, as revealed in the Old Testament. Called the tetragrammaton, the Jews left it unpronounced and unwritten, even in transcribed copies of the Scriptures. It has often been translated into English as Yahweh or (I believe incorrectly) as the Germanized &quot;Jehovah.&quot;
(2) A very significant fact often ignored is that while many in the Old Testament spoke on behalf of God, using phrases such as &quot;Thus says YHWH,&quot; Jesus Christ never did this. Instead, Jesus spoke on His Own authority, even when interpreting Divine Law! 
(3) Although often used as a proof that Christ was not Deity, such an interpretation will not stand up to close scrutiny for several reasons. First, most sects and teachers using this passage to disprove Christ&#039;s Deity prove too much, as the same sects and teachers would no doubt maintain along with the rich young man that He is indeed &quot;good&quot;. Second, this particular word (Grk. agathos) is used of many things, even by Jesus Himself as a generic term for people who are &quot;good&quot; (Matt. 5:45; 12:35; 13:38; 22:10; 25:21, 23). Third, other words are clearly used of Jesus that would be inappropriate if such an interpretation is correct: hagios (&quot;holy&quot; - Acts 3:14) and dikaios (&quot;just&quot; - Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14; and &quot;righteous&quot; - 1 John 2:1) are both used of Jesus, and that with the article (creating a title in each case - i.e., &quot;the Holy One&quot;; &quot;the Just One&quot;; &quot;the Righteous&quot; - this suggests intrinsic qualities). Considering these facts, and also that the passage in question (as well as the parallels in Mark and Luke) contains no direct denial from Jesus but only the question itself, it is more reasonable to regard this as an invitation to recognize Who He really was cast in a teaching style used often by Jesus (cf. Matt. 22:20; 22:42-45 for example). Further support for such an interpretation is to be found in the abundance of Scripture cited in this article as clearly setting forth His true Deity.
(4) The one &quot;Name&quot; has reference to Deity, as is clear from Zechariah 14:9; Acts 10:48; and Revealtion 14:1 compared with 22:4.
(5) A comparison of John 1:12 with 2 Peter 1:3-4 also makes it clear that Jesus Christ is God by nature. To be given the &quot;power to become children of God&quot; is to be made &quot;partakers of the Divine nature&quot; - i.e., Christ&#039;s very nature is Divine - a fact amplified by the above suggested comparison. Also see Ephesians 1:23; 1 Peter 5:1; and Hebrews 6:4.
(6) See the study by this author entitled God Made Visible for a detailed look at the Bible&#039;s teaching on Jesus Christ as the eternal Revealer of God to man.
(7) A casual reading of this verse has led some to believe that the above emphasized statement was the mis-interpretation of Jesus&#039; words by the Jews. Not so - this is the inspired statement of the Apostle John writing as the Gospel&#039;s author! This establishes once and for all that the title &quot;Son of God&quot; denotes not inferiority (as some have claimed), but equality - hence it is a title of Deity. Therefore, we can add all references to &quot;the Son of God&quot; to this compilation of passages proving Christ&#039;s Deity!
(8) Winkie Pratney notes that the Greek word translated as &quot;one&quot; here is &quot;Not heis, which is masculine, but hen, which is neuter; not one person, but one substance, one essence.&quot; (The Nature and Character of God, Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House, 1988, p. 354 - emphasis mine).
(9) This statement alone means that Christ is Himself Deity. God will not give His glory to &quot;another&quot; according to Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11. Therefore, whatever Christ &quot;is,&quot; He cannot be &quot;another&quot; alongside God.
(10) Psalm 24:10 reads: &quot;Who is this King of Glory? YHWH of Hosts, He is the King of Glory. Selah (i.e., pause to contemplate).&quot; 1 Corinthians 2:8 above, using the accepted principle of &quot;comparing Scripture with Scripture,&quot; clearly identifies Jesus Christ with YHWH Himself by revealing that the One &quot;crucified&quot; was, in fact, &quot;the Lord of Glory.&quot;
(11) Few have carefully considered what Paul here sets forth. Paul is contrasting polytheistic idolatry with monotheistic Christianity. Yet Paul&#039;s monotheism includes one God and one Lord, including Jesus Christ in that identification. Clearly then, given the context of his argument, Paul is describing Jesus Christ as true Deity. 
(12) The significance of this claim is that man in general is &quot;in&quot; God&#039;s image and &quot;after&quot; His likeness. In contrast, Jesus Christ is that Divine image!
(13) Both &quot;forms&quot; are parallel. If &quot;the form of a servant&quot; refers to Jesus Christ becoming man (as it obviously does) then &quot;the form of God&quot; must refer to Him being God.
(14) The word here translated (KJV) &quot;fashion&quot; is the Greek word schema, which together with the wording chosen signifies a change in external circumstance.
(15) This fact in and of itself denotes Supreme Deity - cf. Romans 11:36.
(16) These are very important verses, though often neglected. Redemptive grace is our&#039;s by Christ precisely because He accomplished our salvation as Deity. These verses provide the clue to Christ&#039;s infinite worth in redemption, a concept often thought to have no basis in Scripture whatsoever. To receive &quot;of His fulness&quot; (Jn. 1:16) is to &quot;obtain His glory&quot; (2 Thes. 2:14), to be made a &quot;partaker of the Divine nature&quot; (2 Peter 1:4). The author hopes to soon make this the subject of another article. 
(17) The word &quot;and&quot; here clearly identifies what follows as another statement from Father to Son, thereby identifying the Son as YHWH Himself.
(18) The veil concealed God (Lev. 16:2); in equating &quot;the veil&quot; with Christ&#039;s flesh (humanity), the author of Hebrews is claiming that He is Deity in flesh. 
(19) Although this verse is much disputed, this author is by no means convinced that it is not genuine. See Michael Maynard, A History of the Debate Over 1 John 5:7-8, Temple, AZ: Comma Publications, 1995.
(20) William E. Biederwolf, quoted by Frank Mead (ed.), The Encyclopedia of Religious Quotations, Westwood: Fleming H. Revell, no date, p. 50</description>
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<p>JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY<br />
Compiled by William Kilgore </p>
<p>That Jesus Christ is Himself YHWH (1), God Almighty come in the flesh, is so obviously taught in Scripture that it is baffling to hear some who claim adherence to the Bible deny it. Yet many sects such as the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnessess, Armstrongism, the Christadelphians, the Way International, etc., etc. not only make this denial but teach their followers that it is Biblical to do so!<br />
What follows is a presentation of what Scripture teaches concerning Christ&#8217;s Deity. The basic text of this article is made up primarily of Scripture passages. The King James Version is basically followed, though some ultra-archaic wording may be updated. I have italicized words necessarily inserted by the KJV translators, just as they did. Clarifications are inserted in parenthesis, and key words are emphasized for the reader using bold type. All Scripture references are in red type.<br />
Explanatory remarks are made occasionally, but have been kept to a minimum. Any quotes or sources are contained in the endnotes.<br />
THE WORSHIP ISSUE<br />
God&#8217;s Word is explicit in teaching that YHWH alone is to be &#8220;worshipped&#8221; (Ex. 34:14; Ps. 81:9; 97:7; Matt. 4:10/Luke 4:8; Rev. 19:10). We are given examples in God&#8217;s Word of people who were rebuked, chastised, or judged for worshipping the creation (Zeph. 1:5; Acts 7:42; Romans 1:25), &#8220;gods&#8221; (Joshua 24; 2 Kings 17; 1 Cor. 8:5), idols (Lev. 19:4; 26:1; 1 Chr. 16:26; 2 Chron. 34:7; 1 Cor. 10:14; 1 Jn. 5:21), images (Ex. 20:4; Isa. 42:8, 17; 44:15; Jer. 8:19; Rom. 1:23; Rev. 16:2; 19:20), &#8220;relics&#8221; (2 Kings 18:4), material things (Matt. 16:26; Luke 12:20; Acts 17:29; Col. 3:5), &#8220;saints&#8221; (Matt. 17:4; Acts 10:25-26), and even angels (Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10).<br />
God says, &#8220;I am YHWH: that is My Name: and My glory I will not give to another &#8230; For My own sake, even for My own sake, will I do it: for how should My Name be polluted? and I will not give My glory to another.&#8221; &#8211; Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11.<br />
With the above in mind, now read the following passages of Scripture concerning none other than Jesus Christ :<br />
1. &#8221; &#8230; (the wise men) saw the young child (newborn Jesus) with Mary His mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him (JESUS- not His mother!) &#8230; &#8221; MATTHEW 2:11<br />
2. &#8220;And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped Him &#8230;&#8221; MATTHEW 8:2<br />
3. &#8220;Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped Him, saying, &#8216;It is true You are the Son of God.&#8217;&#8221; MATTHEW 14:33<br />
4. &#8220;And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, &#8216;All hail.&#8217; And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him.&#8221; MATTHEW 28:9<br />
5. &#8220;And when they saw Him (JESUS), they worshipped Him; but some doubted.&#8221; MATTHEW 28:17<br />
6. &#8220;But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped Him.&#8221; MARK 5:6<br />
7. &#8220;And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven, and they worshipped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy &#8230;&#8221; LUKE 24:52<br />
8. &#8220;And he (a &#8216;sinner&#8217;) said, &#8216;Lord, I believe,&#8217; and he worshipped Him.&#8221; JOHN 9:38<br />
9. &#8220;And again, when (The Father) brings in the First-begotten into the world, He says, &#8216;And let all the angels of God worship Him (JESUS- Psalm 148:2).&#8217;&#8221; HEBREWS 1:6<br />
10. &#8220;And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, &#8216;Worthy is the Lamb (JESUS) that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard, I saying, &#8216;Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb (JESUS) forever and ever. And the four beasts said, &#8216;Amen.&#8217; And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped Him that lives forever and ever.&#8221; REVELATION 5:12-14<br />
There is no way around this fact of Scripture : Jesus Christ is worshipped. God says that He will not share His glory with &#8220;another.&#8221; Yet those who deny Christ&#8217;s Deity must insist that He do just this, because if Jesus is worshipped but is not God Himself, then God has given His glory to &#8220;another.&#8221; Next time you speak with one who denies that Jesus is God show them the above words penned by Isaiah the prophet. As he/she reads the passage say : &#8220;You&#8217;ve got a serious problem there, friend!&#8221;<br />
Reader, this is the crux of all debates concerning the Deity of Christ : He is worshipped, and that with His Own approval and the approval of the Father. He is often worshipped by Jews in the above passages &#8211; Jews who would never deny their monotheistic faith! How much clearer can it get? If this fact alone were all the proof I had for Christ&#8217;s Deity, I would be on solid ground.<br />
THE OLD TESTAMENT<br />
Although most often speaking proleptically of Christ in His humanity, the Old Testament contains some very clear passages that set forth His Deity :<br />
1. &#8220;(Job speaking) For I know that my Redeemer lives (present tense), and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth (obviously Christ at His second coming- Rev. 21-22): And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God (obviously Christ- John 1:18; 14:9; Rev. 22): Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another (Christ is truly God) &#8230; &#8221; JOB 19:25-27 </p>
<p>2. &#8220;For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God (YHWH Himself- cf. Isa. 10:21; 49:26; Jer. 32:18), The Everlasting Father (John 14:9-10; Heb. 3:6), the Prince of Peace (cf. Eph. 2:14) &#8230; &#8221; ISAIAH 9:6 </p>
<p>3. &#8220;But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth (JESUS- cf. Matt. 2:1, 5-6; Luke 2:4; John 7:42) unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth (Heb. &#8216;mowtsa&#8217;ah&#8217;= a family descent) have been from of old, from everlasting (Heb. &#8216;olam&#8217;= eternity; cf. Ps. 90:2; Jer. 10:10) &#8230; &#8221; MICAH 5:2 </p>
<p>4. &#8220;Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me (YHWH): and the Lord, Whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the Covenant, Whom you delight in: behold, He shall come, says YHWH of Hosts. But who may abide the day of His coming? and who shall stand when He appears? for He is like a refiner&#8217;s fire, and like fuller&#8217;s soap (cf. Matt. 3:11) &#8230;&#8221; MALACHI 3:1-2<br />
PARALLEL PASSAGES<br />
It is a simple matter to demonstrate that Jesus Christ is God Himself by carefully reading certain parallel passages of Scripture:<br />
1. &#8220;(YHWH speaking to Moses &#8211; v. 5) Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink.&#8221; EXODUS 17:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;(Israel) did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them; and that Rock was Christ (cf. Psalm 18:2).&#8221; 1 CORINTHIANS 10:4 </p>
<p>2. &#8221; &#8230; the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH your God &#8230; For in six days YHWH<br />
made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them: therefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it (Gen. 2:2-3).&#8221; EXODUS 20:10-11<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;For the Son of Man (JESUS) is Lord even of the sabbath day.&#8221; MATTHEW 12:8 </p>
<p>3. &#8220;And YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people &#8230; &#8221; NUMBERS 21:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;Neither let us tempt Christ as some of them (Israel) also tempted (cf. Exodus 17:2), and were destroyed of serpents.&#8221; 1 CORINTHIANS 10:9 </p>
<p>4. &#8220;And Manoah said to the Angel of YHWH, &#8216;What is Your Name, that when Your<br />
sayings come to pass we may do you honour?&#8217; And the Angel of YHWH (God Himself &#8211; see vv. 16,22) said to him, &#8216;Why do you ask My Name, seeing it is secret (or, wonderful &#8211; Isa. 9:6)?&#8217;&#8221; JUDGES 13:17-18<br />
WITH<br />
&#8221; &#8230; He (JESUS) had a Name written that no man knew, but He Himself.&#8221;<br />
REVELATION 19:12 </p>
<p>5. &#8220;YHWH killeth and maketh alive: He bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.&#8221; 1 SAMUEL 2:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.&#8221; JOHN 5:21 </p>
<p>6. &#8220;But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? Behold, heaven and the<br />
heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house (the temple) which I (David) have built (Mal. 3:1)!&#8221; 2 CHRONICLES 6:18<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;But I (JESUS) say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple (meaning Himself).&#8221; MATTHEW 12:6 </p>
<p>7. &#8220;But Thou (God &#8211; v. 24) are the same, and Thy years shall have no end.&#8221; PSALM 102:27<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever.&#8221; HEBREWS 13:8 </p>
<p>8. &#8220;Then (Isaiah) said, &#8216;Woe is me! for I am undone: because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, YHWH of Hosts.&#8217;&#8221; ISAIAH 6:5<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;These things (Isaiah) said when he saw His (JESUS) glory, and spoke of Him.&#8221;<br />
JOHN 12:41 </p>
<p>9. &#8220;Sanctify YHWH of Hosts Himself &#8230; and He shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel &#8230; &#8221;<br />
ISAIAH 8:13-14<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;To you therefore which believe He (JESUS) is precious; but to them which be<br />
disobedient the same is made &#8230; a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence (Psalm 118:22; Luke 2:34; Rom. 9:33) &#8230; &#8221; 1 PETER 2:7-8 </p>
<p>10. &#8220;The voice of him who cries in the wilderness, &#8216;Prepare ye the way of YHWH, make straight in the desert a highway for our God&#8217; &#8230; And the Glory of YHWH shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together (John 1:14) &#8230; &#8221; ISAIAH 40:3,5<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;For (John the Baptist) is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, &#8216;The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord (that is, JESUS- Mal. 3:1; Mark 1:3; Luke 1:16-17; 3:4; John 1:23) &#8230; &#8221; MATTHEW 3:3 </p>
<p>11. &#8220;For I am YHWH your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour &#8230;&#8221; ISAIAH 43:3<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;But ye denied the Holy One and the Just (i.e., they rejected JESUS) &#8230; &#8221; ACTS 3:14 </p>
<p>12. &#8220;I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no Saviour (Psalm 3:8; Isa. 45:21-22; Hosea 13:4; John 4:42).&#8221; ISAIAH 43:11<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (2 Pe. 3:18).&#8221; ACTS 4:12 </p>
<p>13. &#8220;Thus says YHWH the King of Israel, and his Redeemer YHWH of Hosts; I am the First, and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no God (Isa. 41:4; 48:12).&#8221;<br />
ISAIAH 44:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8221; &#8230; I (JESUS) am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last &#8230;&#8221; REVELATION 1:11 </p>
<p>14. &#8220;For thus says YHWH &#8230; unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.&#8221; ISAIAH 45:18, 23<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow &#8230; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (used in the Gr. OT for Heb. &#8216;YHWH&#8217;) to the glory of God the Father.&#8221; PHILIPPIANS 2:10-11 </p>
<p>15. &#8220;In YHWH shall all the seed of Israel (Rom. 11) be justified, and shall glory.&#8221;<br />
ISAIAH 45:25<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;But of (God) are you in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made to us wisdom, and<br />
righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That according as it is written, &#8216;He that glories, let him glory in the Lord&#8217; (Jer. 9:23).&#8221; 1 CORINTHIANS 1:29-30 </p>
<p>16. &#8220;In His (JESUS &#8211; see v. 5) days Judah shall be saved and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is His Name whereby He shall be called, YHWH our Righteousness.&#8221; JEREMIAH 23:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8221; &#8230; to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness<br />
of God and our Saviour (Grk. = &#8216;of our God and Saviour&#8217;) Jesus Christ (cf. Ro. 10:4; 1 Cor. 1:30).&#8221; 2 PETER 1:1 </p>
<p>17. &#8220;And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of YHWH shall be delivered (i.e., &#8216;saved&#8217;) &#8230; &#8221; JOEL 2:32<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord (JESUS &#8211; v. 9) shall be saved<br />
(cf. Acts 2:21).&#8221; ROMANS 10:13 </p>
<p>18. &#8220;(YHWH speaking) And it shall come to pass in that day &#8230; they shall look upon Me Whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him (note the use of pronouns here) &#8230; &#8221; ZECHARIAH 12:9-10<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;(Referring to Christ) And again another scripture says, &#8216;They shall look on Him<br />
(changed from &#8216;Me&#8217;) Whom they pierced (cf. Rev. 1:7).&#8217;&#8221; JOHN 19:37 </p>
<p>19. &#8221; &#8230; YHWH my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.&#8221; ZECHARIAH 14:5<br />
WITH<br />
&#8221; &#8230; at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints (cf. 4:14; Jude 14).&#8221;<br />
1 THESSALONIANS 3:13 </p>
<p>20. &#8220;I am YHWH, I change not (cf. James 1:17) &#8230; &#8221; MALACHI 3:6<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.&#8221; HEBREWS 13:8 </p>
<p>21. &#8221; &#8230; it is written (in Deut. 32:35), &#8216;Vengeance is Mine: I will repay, says the Lord<br />
(YHWH) &#8230; &#8216;&#8221; ROMANS 12:19<br />
WITH<br />
&#8221; &#8230; the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels; In flaming<br />
fire taking vengeance &#8230; &#8221; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-8 </p>
<p>22. &#8220;Which in His (JESUS) times He shall show Who is (referring to God) the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords &#8230; &#8221; 1 TIMOTHY 6:15<br />
WITH<br />
&#8220;And He (JESUS) has on His vesture and on His thigh a Name written: KING OF<br />
KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS (cf. 17:14) &#8230; &#8221; REVELATION 19:16</p>
<p>The above comparisons (by no means exhaustive) are obvious, clearly revealing that the Lord Jesus Christ is none other than God Himself. Note that in many cases the writers of the New Testament applied Old Testament references to YHWH (God Almighty) to Jesus, showing that Jesus is indeed YHWH Himself.<br />
THE NEW TESTAMENT<br />
1. &#8220;And (Mary) shall bring forth a son, and you shall call His Name JESUS (YHWH<br />
Saviour): for He shall save His people from their sins. Now all this was done that<br />
it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet (Isa. 7:14), saying, &#8216;Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His Name Emmanuel,&#8217; which being interpreted is, God with us.&#8221; MATTHEW 1:21-23 </p>
<p>2. &#8220;You have heard &#8230; but I (JESUS) say &#8230; &#8221; (2) MATTHEW 5:21-22, 27-28 </p>
<p>3. &#8220;And, behold, one came and said to (JESUS), &#8216;Good Master &#8230; &#8216; &#8230; But (JESUS)<br />
said to him, &#8216;Why do you call Me good? there is none good but One, that is, God.&#8221;<br />
MATTHEW 19:16-17 (Mark 10:18/Luke 19:19) (3) </p>
<p>4. &#8220;While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, &#8216;What do you think of Christ? Whose son is He?&#8217; They said to Him, &#8216;The son of David.&#8217; (true &#8211; see Matt. 1:1) He said to them, &#8216;How then does David in spirit call Him Lord, saying, YHWH said to my Lord, Sit Thou on My right hand, till I make Thine enemies Thy footstool (Psalm 110:1)? If David called Him Lord, then how is He (merely) His Son?&#8217; And no man was able to answer Him a word, neither did any man from that day forward ask Him any more questions.&#8221; MATTHEW 22:41-45 (Mark 12:35-37/Luke 20:41-44) </p>
<p>5. &#8221; &#8230; baptizing (disciples) in the Name (4) (singular) of the Father, and of the Son,<br />
and of the Holy Spirit.&#8221; MATTHEW 28:19 </p>
<p>6. &#8220;When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the sick of the palsy, &#8216;Son, your sins be<br />
forgiven you.&#8217; But there were certain of the sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, &#8216;Why does this man speak blasphemies in this way? Who can forgive sins but God only?&#8217;&#8221; MARK 2:5-7 </p>
<p>7. &#8220;Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but said to him, &#8216;Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and has had compassion on you.&#8217; And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis what great things Jesus (God &#8211; Lu. 8:39) had done for him &#8230; &#8221; MARK 5:19-20 </p>
<p>8. &#8221; &#8230; whoever shall receive Me (JESUS), receives not Me, but Him that sent Me.&#8221;<br />
MARK 9:37 (Matt. 10:40; Luke 9:48) </p>
<p>9. &#8220;And then shall they see the Son of Man (JESUS) coming in the clouds with great<br />
power and glory. And then shall He (JESUS) send His angels (cf. Matt. 13:41 and<br />
24:30-31), and shall gather together His elect (cf. Luke 18:7; John 15:16; Romans<br />
8:33; Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1) &#8230; &#8221; MARK 13:26-27 </p>
<p>10. &#8220;And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud<br />
voice glorified God, and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks; and he was a Samaritan. And Jesus answering said, &#8216;Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine? There are not found that returned to give glory to God, except this stranger.&#8217;&#8221; LUKE 17:15-18 </p>
<p>11. &#8220;In the beginning (Gen. 1:1) was the Word (JESUS &#8211; cf. v. 14; 1 John 5:7 KJV;<br />
Rev. 19:13), and the Word was with God (Gen. 1:26; Isa. 48:16; John 17:5; 1 John 1:1-3), and the Word was God (1 John 5:20). The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:15-19). In Him was life (itself &#8211; Jn. 5:26); and the life (John 14:6) was the light of men (Jn. 8:12) &#8230; That was the True Light (Jn. 3:19; 1 Jn. 1:5), which lights every man that comes into the world (Psalm 36:9; Jn. 8:12; 9:5). He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not (1 Jn. 3:1) &#8230; And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23; 1 Tim. 3:16), [and we beheld His glory (Isa. 40:5; Lu. 9:32), the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (Jn. 17:5)], full of grace and truth (cf. v. 17). John (the Baptist) bore witness of Him, and cried, saying, &#8216;This was He of Whom I spoke, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for He was before me (John 8:58).&#8217; And of His fulness (Col. 1:19 and 2:9 cp. with 2 Peter 1:3-4) (5) have we all received &#8230; No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, Who is in the bosom of the Father (John 3:13 and 8:41), He has declared Him (2 Cor. 4:6). (6) JOHN 1:1-4,9-10,14-16,18 </p>
<p>12. &#8220;Jesus answered and said to (His disciples), &#8216;Destroy this temple (i.e., God in flesh!), and in three days I will raise it up (cf. John 10:18 &#8211; proves Divinity &#8211; see Acts 3:26 and Romans 8:11) &#8230; (JESUS) spoke of the temple of His body (Col. 2:9; Heb. 10:20).&#8221; JOHN 2:19,21 </p>
<p>13. &#8220;Verily, verily, I (JESUS) say to you (Nicodemus), &#8216;We (i.e., the Father and the Son &#8211; v. 34) speak (of) that We do know, and testify (to) that We have seen; and you receive not Our witness (1 John 5:7 KJV). If I have told you earthly things, and you believe not, how will you believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven (see ref.s on #14- Jn. 3:31- below), even the Son of Man which is (present tense &#8211; i.e., Christ here claims to be simultaneously present both on earth and in heaven) in heaven.&#8221; JOHN 3:11-13 </p>
<p>14. &#8220;He (JESUS) that comes from above is above all; he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth; He that comes from heaven (Matt. 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 3:13; 6:38,51; Eph. 4:9) is above all (Romans 9:5).&#8221; JOHN 3:31 </p>
<p>15. &#8220;But Jesus answered (the Jews), &#8216;My Father works hitherto, and I work.&#8217; Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.&#8221; (7) JOHN 5:17-18 </p>
<p>16. &#8220;For as the Father raises up the dead, and quickens them; even so, the Son<br />
quickens whom He will. For the Father judges no man, but has commited all judgment to the Son; that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father (i.e., recognize His Deity). He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father Who sent Him.&#8221; JOHN 5:21-23 </p>
<p>17. &#8220;(Jesus speaking) What and if you shall see the Son of Man ascend up where He was before?&#8221; JOHN 6:62 </p>
<p>18. &#8220;Then they said to Him, &#8216;Where is your father?&#8217; Jesus answered, &#8216;You neither know me, nor My Father: if you had known Me, you should have known My Father also.&#8221; JOHN 8:19 </p>
<p>19. &#8220;And He said to them, &#8216;You are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world. Therefore, I said to you that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am He, you shall die in your sins.&#8217; Then they said to Him, &#8216;Who are you?&#8217; And Jesus said to them, &#8216;Even the same that I said to you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.&#8217; They understood not that He spoke to them of the Father.&#8221; JOHN 8:23-27 </p>
<p>20. &#8220;Jesus said to them, &#8216;If God were your Father, you would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.&#8221; JOHN 8:42 </p>
<p>21. &#8220;&#8216;Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day (Heb. 11:16): and he saw it, and was glad.&#8217; Then the Jews said to (JESUS), &#8216;You are not yet fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham?&#8217; Jesus said to them, &#8216;Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am (God&#8217;s title &#8211; Exodus 3:14).&#8217; Then they took up stones to cast at Him &#8230; &#8221; JOHN 8:56-59 </p>
<p>22. &#8220;&#8216;My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck out of My hand. My Father, which gave them (to) Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father&#8217;s hand. I and My Father are one.&#8217; (8) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, &#8216;Many good works have I showed you from My Father; for which of those works do you stone Me?&#8217; The Jews answered Him, saying, &#8216;For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy (cf. Lev. 24:16); and because that You, being a man, make Yourself God.&#8217; Jesus answered them, &#8216;Is it not written in your law: (God) said, You are gods? (Psalm 82:6) If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken; Say you of Him Whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of My Father, believe Me not. But if I do, though you believe not Me, believe the works; that you may know, and believe, that the Father is in Me, and I in Him. Therefore, they sought again to take Him &#8230;&#8221; JOHN 10:28-39 </p>
<p>23. &#8220;When Jesus heard that, He said, &#8216;This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory<br />
of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.&#8221; JOHN 11:4 </p>
<p>24. &#8220;Jesus cried and said, &#8216;He who believes on Me, believes not on Me, but on Him that sent Me (i.e., God); and he who sees Me sees Him that sent Me.&#8217;&#8221; JOHN 12:44-45 </p>
<p>25. &#8220;Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God, and went to God &#8230; &#8221; JOHN 13:3 </p>
<p>26. &#8220;You call Me &#8216;Master&#8217; and &#8216;Lord&#8217;; and you say well; for so I am.&#8221; JOHN 13:13 </p>
<p>27. &#8220;Now I tell you before it comes, that, when it is come to pass, you may believe that I am He. Verily, verily, I say to you, he that receives whoever I send receives Me; and he that receives Me, receives Him that sent Me.&#8221; JOHN 13:19-20 </p>
<p>28. &#8220;Do not let your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.&#8221;<br />
JOHN 14:1 </p>
<p>29. &#8220;Jesus says to (Thomas), &#8216;I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no man comes to the Father, but by Me. If you had known Me, you should have known My Father also: and from henceforth you know Him, and have seen Him.&#8217; Philip says to (JESUS), &#8216;Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.&#8217; Jesus says to (Philip), &#8216;Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He that has seen Me has seen the Father; how then do you say, Show us the Father?<br />
Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of Myself: but the Father Who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me &#8230; &#8216;&#8221; JOHN 14:7-11 </p>
<p>30. &#8220;&#8216;And I will pray (to) the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because it sees Him not, neither knows Him: but you know Him; for He dwells with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world sees Me no more; but you see Me: because I live, you shall live also. At that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He that has My commandments, and keeps them, it is he that loves Me: and he that loves Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.&#8217; Judas, not Iscariot, says to (JESUS), &#8216;Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?&#8217; Jesus answered and said to him, &#8216;If a man love Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our abode with him.&#8217;&#8221; JOHN 14:16-23 </p>
<p>31. &#8220;He that hates Me (JESUS) hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no other man did, they had not had sin; but now they have both<br />
seen and hated both Me and My Father.&#8221; JOHN 15:23-24 </p>
<p>32. &#8220;&#8216;These things have I (JESUS) spoken to you in proverbs: but the time comes, when I shall no longer speak to you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father. At that day you shall ask in My Name: and I say not to you, that I will pray (to) the Father for you: for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go (back) to the Father.&#8217; His disciples said to Him, &#8216;Lo, now You speak plainly, and speak no proverb. Now we are sure that You know all things, and need not that any Man should ask You: by this we believe that You came forth from God.&#8217; Jesus answered them, &#8216;Do you now believe? Behold, the hour comes, yea, and is now come, that you shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave Me alone: and yet I am not alone,because the Father is with Me.&#8217;&#8221; JOHN 16:25-32 </p>
<p>33. &#8220;And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine Own Self with the glory that I<br />
had with Thee (9) before the world was (John 1:1-2).&#8221; JOHN 17:5 </p>
<p>34. &#8220;And all Mine (JESUS) are Thine (the Father), and Thine are Mine; and I am<br />
glorified in them. And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine Own Name those whom Thou has given Me, that they may be one, as We are.&#8221; JOHN 17:10-11 </p>
<p>35. &#8220;And Thomas (a monotheistic Jew) answered and said to (JESUS), &#8216;My Lord and My God!&#8217;&#8221; JOHN 20:28 </p>
<p>36. &#8220;And (Jews from the synagogue &#8211; 6:9) stoned Stephen, (who was) calling upon God, and saying, &#8216;Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.&#8217;&#8221; ACTS 7:59 </p>
<p>37. &#8220;Then Ananias answered, &#8216;Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he has done to Thy saints at Jerusalem: and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all that call upon Thy Name.&#8217; But the Lord said to him, &#8216;Go your way: for he is a chosen vessel to Me, to bear My Name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel; for I will show him what great things he must suffer for My Name&#8217;s sake.&#8217; And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, &#8216;Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared to you in the way as you came, has sent me &#8230; &#8216;&#8221; ACTS 9:13-17 </p>
<p>38. &#8220;The word which God sent to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus<br />
Christ; [He is Lord of all] &#8230; &#8221; ACTS 10:36 </p>
<p>39. &#8220;And they said, &#8216;Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved &#8230; &#8216; &#8230; And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.&#8221; ACTS 16:31,34 </p>
<p>40. &#8221; &#8230; the church of God, which He has purchased with His Own blood.&#8221; ACTS 20:28b </p>
<p>41. &#8220;Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God &#8230; For God is my witness, Whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son &#8230; &#8221; ROMANS 1:1,9 </p>
<p>42. &#8220;But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.&#8221; ROMANS 8:9 </p>
<p>43. &#8221; &#8230; of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, Who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.&#8221; ROMANS 9:5 </p>
<p>44. &#8221; &#8230; For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written (in<br />
Isaiah 45:23), &#8216;As I live, says the Lord (YHWH), every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.&#8217; So then, every one of us shall give account of himself to God.&#8221; ROMANS 14:10-12 </p>
<p>45. &#8220;But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which<br />
God ordained before the world, to our glory; which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory (i.e., YHWH Himself &#8211; see Psalm 24:7-10; (10) also James 2:1).&#8221; 1 CORINTHIANS 2:7-8 </p>
<p>46. &#8221; &#8230; we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God,<br />
but one. For though there be (those) that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there are gods many, and lords many), but to us there is but one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by<br />
Whom are all things, and we by Him.&#8221; (11) 1 CORINTHIANS 8:4-6 </p>
<p>47. &#8220;The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy; the Second Man (JESUS) is the Lord from heaven.&#8221; 1 CORINTHIANS 15:47 </p>
<p>48. &#8220;In whom the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine to them.&#8221; (12) 2 CORINTHIANS 4:4 </p>
<p>49. &#8220;And all things are of God, Who has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has<br />
committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ&#8217;s stead, be reconciled to God.&#8221; 2 CORINTHIANS 5:18-20 </p>
<p>50. &#8220;Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship has<br />
righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has he that believes with an infidel? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God has said (in Lev. 26:12 and Isa. 52:11), &#8216;I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore, come out from among them, and be separate,&#8217; says the Lord (YHWH), &#8216;and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters,&#8217; says the Lord Almighty.&#8221; 2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18 </p>
<p>51. &#8220;For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich (i.e.,<br />
as Deity &#8211; cf. Phil&#8217;p. 2:5-11), yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty (i.e., becoming man) might be rich.&#8221; 2 CORINTHIANS 8:9 </p>
<p>52. &#8220;And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the<br />
beginning of the world has been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3) &#8230; &#8221; EPHESIANS 3:9 </p>
<p>53. &#8220;He that descended (i.e., from heaven to earth) is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He (JESUS) might fill all things (cf. Eph. 1:23).&#8221; EPHESIANS 4:10 </p>
<p>54. &#8221; &#8230; Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be<br />
equal with God (John 1:1); but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, (13) and was made in the likeness of men (John 1:14): and being found in fashion (14) as a man, He humbled Himself (type: John 13:3-5; also see 2 Cor. 8:9), and became obedient to death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God (the Father) has also highly exalted Him (i.e., a reclaiming), and given Him a Name which is above every name: that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&#8221; PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11 </p>
<p>55. &#8220;(JESUS) is the Image of the invisible God, the Firstborn of every creature<br />
(cf. Proverbs 8:22-31): For by Him (JESUS) were all things created that are in<br />
heaven, or in the earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions,<br />
or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him (cf. Jn.<br />
1:1-2), (14) and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist (i.e., Jesus<br />
is literally the One Who &#8216;holds together&#8217; reality! &#8211; see Neh. 9:6 and Acts 17:28). And He is the Head of the body, the church; Who is the beginning (Grk. &#8216;arche,&#8217; signifying His rank, power, and authority), the Firstborn from the dead; that in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in (JESUS) should all (the) fulness dwell (i.e., Deity &#8211; Col. 2:9) &#8230; &#8221;<br />
COLOSSIANS 1:15-19 </p>
<p>56. &#8220;That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement (Grk. &#8216;epignosis&#8217; &#8211; discern, recognize, become fully acquainted with) of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ (1 Timothy 3:16); In Whom (singular) are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.&#8221; COLOSSIANS 2:2-3 </p>
<p>57. &#8220;For in (JESUS) dwells all the fulness of the Godhead (Grk. &#8216;theotes&#8217; &#8211; literally, Deity) bodily (cf. John 1:16 and 17 (16) ).&#8221; COLOSSIANS 2:9 </p>
<p>58. &#8220;Now God Himself, and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ (note the grammatical structure), direct our way to you.&#8221; 1 THESSALONIANS 3:11 </p>
<p>59. &#8220;For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in<br />
Jesus will God bring with Him. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord (Rev. 21:3; 22:3-4).&#8221; 1 THESSALONIANS 4:14-16 </p>
<p>60. &#8220;Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and<br />
Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope.&#8221; 1 TIMOTHY 1:1 </p>
<p>61. &#8220;And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (God was) justified in the Spirit, (God was) seen of angels, (God was)<br />
preached to the Gentiles, (God was) believed on in the world, (God was) received<br />
up into glory (all referring to JESUS!).&#8221; 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 </p>
<p>62. &#8221; &#8230; God and the Lord Jesus Christ, Who (singular) shall judge the quick and the<br />
dead at His (singular) appearing and His (singular) kingdom &#8230; &#8221; 2 TIMOTHY 4:1 </p>
<p>63. &#8220;(God) has in due times manifested His word through preaching, which is commited to me (Paul) according to the commandment of God our Saviour; to Titus, mine own son after the common faith: grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour (cf. 3:4-6).&#8221; TITUS 1:3-4 </p>
<p>64. &#8220;Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and<br />
our Saviour Jesus Christ &#8230;&#8221; TITUS 2:13 </p>
<p>65. &#8220;God, Who at various times and in different manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, Whom He has appointed Heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds; Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express (Grk. &#8216;charakter&#8217; &#8211; an exact copy or<br />
representation) Image of (God&#8217;s) Person, and upholding all things by the word of His (JESUS) power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance (because He is God&#8217;s &#8220;fellow&#8221; &#8211; His family relation &#8211; see Zech. 13:7) obtained a more excellent Name than they.&#8221; HEBREWS 1:1-4 </p>
<p>66. &#8220;But to the Son (the Father) says (in Psalm 45:6-7), &#8216;Thy throne, O God, is<br />
forever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom. Thou has loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even Thy God, has anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.&#8217; And (17) (in Psalm 102:25-27), &#8216;Thou, Lord (YHWH), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of Thine hands &#8230; &#8216;&#8221; HEBREWS 1:8-10 </p>
<p>67. &#8221; &#8230; consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Who was faithful to Him that appointed Him (the Father), as also Moses was faithful in all<br />
his house. For this Man (JESUS) was counted worthy of more glory than Moses,<br />
inasmuch as He Who has built the house has more honor than the house. For<br />
every house is built by some man, but He that built all things is God. And Moses<br />
truly was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; but Christ as a Son over His Own house &#8230; &#8221; HEBREWS 3:1b-6a </p>
<p>68. &#8220;(Melchizedek) without father, without mother, without descent, having neither<br />
beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God &#8230; &#8221; HEBREWS 7:3 </p>
<p>69. &#8220;By a new and living way, which He (JESUS) has consecrated for us, through the<br />
veil, that is to say, His flesh &#8230; &#8221; (18) HEBREWS 10:20 </p>
<p>70. &#8220;Searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ which was in them (the OT prophets, proving Christ&#8217;s preexistence and equating Him with the Holy<br />
Spirit) did signify &#8230; &#8221; 1 PETER 1:11 </p>
<p>71. &#8221; &#8230; to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the<br />
righteousness of God and our Saviour (Grk. &#8216;of our God and Saviour&#8217;) Jesus<br />
Christ.&#8221; 2 PETER 1:1 </p>
<p>72. &#8220;That which was from the beginning (John 1:1) which we have heard, which we<br />
have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life (JESUS &#8211; John 1:1,14) [for the Life was manifested (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16) and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show to you that Eternal Life, which was with the Father (John 1:1-2), and was manifested to us &#8230; &#8221; 1 JOHN 1:1-2 </p>
<p>73. &#8220;Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God; therefore the world knows us not, because it knew Him not (John 1:10). Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is &#8230; And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins &#8230;&#8221; 1 JOHN 3:1-2,5 </p>
<p>74. &#8220;Hereby we perceive the love of God, because He laid down His life for us &#8230; &#8221;<br />
1 JOHN 3:16 </p>
<p>75. &#8220;For there are Three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (JESUS),<br />
and the Holy Spirit: and these Three are One.&#8221; 1 JOHN 5:7 (KJV) (19) </p>
<p>76. &#8220;And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son<br />
Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life (1 John 1:2).&#8221; 1 JOHN 5:20 </p>
<p>77. &#8221; &#8230; the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.&#8221; JUDE 4 </p>
<p>78. &#8220;To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power,<br />
both now and forever. Amen.&#8221; JUDE 25 </p>
<p>79. &#8220;&#8216;I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending,&#8217; says the Lord, &#8216;which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty&#8217; (this is JESUS! &#8211; see Rev. 1:11,16-18; 2:8; 21:6; 22:13 &#8211; this proves His Deity &#8211; Gen. 17:1; Isa. 44:6).&#8221; REVELATION 1:8 </p>
<p>80. &#8220;These shall make war with the Lamb (JESUS), and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings (see 1 Tim. 6:15!) &#8230; &#8221; REVELATION 17:14 </p>
<p>81. &#8220;And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out<br />
of the throne (singular &#8211; not &#8216;thrones&#8217;!) of God and of the Lamb &#8230; And there shall be no more curse; but the throne (singular) of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His (singular &#8211; not &#8216;their&#8217;!) servants shall serve Him (singular &#8211; not &#8216;them&#8217;!); and they shall see His face (not &#8216;their faces&#8217;!); and His Name (not &#8216;their names&#8217;! &#8211; cf. Zech. 14:9) shall be in their foreheads.&#8221; REVELATION 22:1,3-4 (see also 11:15, which uses the same type of grammer) </p>
<p>82. &#8221; &#8230; the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel &#8230; &#8216;I, Jesus, have sent My angel &#8230; &#8221; REVELATION 22:6,16 </p>
<p>The above 82 New Testament passages, along with the rest of the evidence submitted, cannot be explained away. Surely all of the passages are not &#8220;mistranslations&#8221;! I in no way claim to understand everything about &#8220;the mystery of Godliness,&#8221; for it is truly a mystery to our finite minds. The historic creeds of the Church perhaps go too far in attempting to explain the &#8220;mechanism&#8221; of the Incarnation. But what is clear from Scripture is that the Father and the Son are distinct, yet both are actually &#8220;one&#8221; God (the same of course is true of the Holy Spirit as well). Further, Jesus Christ is truly &#8220;God manifest in the flesh.&#8221; This gets very complex when we are forced by the same inspired scriptures to acknowledge that Jesus Christ was (and is) truly human &#8211; He was conceived, born, ate, breathed, slept, wept, and died. But how can One Who is the Immortal God die? I must confess that I have no idea, but I believe it in faith &#8230; leaving the &#8220;secret things&#8221; to the Lord my God (Deut. 29:29). </p>
<p>&#8220;A man who can read the New Testament and not see<br />
that Christ claims to be more than a man, can look all<br />
over the sky at high noon on a cloudless day and not<br />
see the sun.&#8221; (20)</p>
<p>END NOTES<br />
(1) This is the name of God, as revealed in the Old Testament. Called the tetragrammaton, the Jews left it unpronounced and unwritten, even in transcribed copies of the Scriptures. It has often been translated into English as Yahweh or (I believe incorrectly) as the Germanized &#8220;Jehovah.&#8221;<br />
(2) A very significant fact often ignored is that while many in the Old Testament spoke on behalf of God, using phrases such as &#8220;Thus says YHWH,&#8221; Jesus Christ never did this. Instead, Jesus spoke on His Own authority, even when interpreting Divine Law!<br />
(3) Although often used as a proof that Christ was not Deity, such an interpretation will not stand up to close scrutiny for several reasons. First, most sects and teachers using this passage to disprove Christ&#8217;s Deity prove too much, as the same sects and teachers would no doubt maintain along with the rich young man that He is indeed &#8220;good&#8221;. Second, this particular word (Grk. agathos) is used of many things, even by Jesus Himself as a generic term for people who are &#8220;good&#8221; (Matt. 5:45; 12:35; 13:38; 22:10; 25:21, 23). Third, other words are clearly used of Jesus that would be inappropriate if such an interpretation is correct: hagios (&#8220;holy&#8221; &#8211; Acts 3:14) and dikaios (&#8220;just&#8221; &#8211; Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14; and &#8220;righteous&#8221; &#8211; 1 John 2:1) are both used of Jesus, and that with the article (creating a title in each case &#8211; i.e., &#8220;the Holy One&#8221;; &#8220;the Just One&#8221;; &#8220;the Righteous&#8221; &#8211; this suggests intrinsic qualities). Considering these facts, and also that the passage in question (as well as the parallels in Mark and Luke) contains no direct denial from Jesus but only the question itself, it is more reasonable to regard this as an invitation to recognize Who He really was cast in a teaching style used often by Jesus (cf. Matt. 22:20; 22:42-45 for example). Further support for such an interpretation is to be found in the abundance of Scripture cited in this article as clearly setting forth His true Deity.<br />
(4) The one &#8220;Name&#8221; has reference to Deity, as is clear from Zechariah 14:9; Acts 10:48; and Revealtion 14:1 compared with 22:4.<br />
(5) A comparison of John 1:12 with 2 Peter 1:3-4 also makes it clear that Jesus Christ is God by nature. To be given the &#8220;power to become children of God&#8221; is to be made &#8220;partakers of the Divine nature&#8221; &#8211; i.e., Christ&#8217;s very nature is Divine &#8211; a fact amplified by the above suggested comparison. Also see Ephesians 1:23; 1 Peter 5:1; and Hebrews 6:4.<br />
(6) See the study by this author entitled God Made Visible for a detailed look at the Bible&#8217;s teaching on Jesus Christ as the eternal Revealer of God to man.<br />
(7) A casual reading of this verse has led some to believe that the above emphasized statement was the mis-interpretation of Jesus&#8217; words by the Jews. Not so &#8211; this is the inspired statement of the Apostle John writing as the Gospel&#8217;s author! This establishes once and for all that the title &#8220;Son of God&#8221; denotes not inferiority (as some have claimed), but equality &#8211; hence it is a title of Deity. Therefore, we can add all references to &#8220;the Son of God&#8221; to this compilation of passages proving Christ&#8217;s Deity!<br />
(8) Winkie Pratney notes that the Greek word translated as &#8220;one&#8221; here is &#8220;Not heis, which is masculine, but hen, which is neuter; not one person, but one substance, one essence.&#8221; (The Nature and Character of God, Minneapolis, Minnesota: Bethany House, 1988, p. 354 &#8211; emphasis mine).<br />
(9) This statement alone means that Christ is Himself Deity. God will not give His glory to &#8220;another&#8221; according to Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11. Therefore, whatever Christ &#8220;is,&#8221; He cannot be &#8220;another&#8221; alongside God.<br />
(10) Psalm 24:10 reads: &#8220;Who is this King of Glory? YHWH of Hosts, He is the King of Glory. Selah (i.e., pause to contemplate).&#8221; 1 Corinthians 2:8 above, using the accepted principle of &#8220;comparing Scripture with Scripture,&#8221; clearly identifies Jesus Christ with YHWH Himself by revealing that the One &#8220;crucified&#8221; was, in fact, &#8220;the Lord of Glory.&#8221;<br />
(11) Few have carefully considered what Paul here sets forth. Paul is contrasting polytheistic idolatry with monotheistic Christianity. Yet Paul&#8217;s monotheism includes one God and one Lord, including Jesus Christ in that identification. Clearly then, given the context of his argument, Paul is describing Jesus Christ as true Deity.<br />
(12) The significance of this claim is that man in general is &#8220;in&#8221; God&#8217;s image and &#8220;after&#8221; His likeness. In contrast, Jesus Christ is that Divine image!<br />
(13) Both &#8220;forms&#8221; are parallel. If &#8220;the form of a servant&#8221; refers to Jesus Christ becoming man (as it obviously does) then &#8220;the form of God&#8221; must refer to Him being God.<br />
(14) The word here translated (KJV) &#8220;fashion&#8221; is the Greek word schema, which together with the wording chosen signifies a change in external circumstance.<br />
(15) This fact in and of itself denotes Supreme Deity &#8211; cf. Romans 11:36.<br />
(16) These are very important verses, though often neglected. Redemptive grace is our&#8217;s by Christ precisely because He accomplished our salvation as Deity. These verses provide the clue to Christ&#8217;s infinite worth in redemption, a concept often thought to have no basis in Scripture whatsoever. To receive &#8220;of His fulness&#8221; (Jn. 1:16) is to &#8220;obtain His glory&#8221; (2 Thes. 2:14), to be made a &#8220;partaker of the Divine nature&#8221; (2 Peter 1:4). The author hopes to soon make this the subject of another article.<br />
(17) The word &#8220;and&#8221; here clearly identifies what follows as another statement from Father to Son, thereby identifying the Son as YHWH Himself.<br />
(18) The veil concealed God (Lev. 16:2); in equating &#8220;the veil&#8221; with Christ&#8217;s flesh (humanity), the author of Hebrews is claiming that He is Deity in flesh.<br />
(19) Although this verse is much disputed, this author is by no means convinced that it is not genuine. See Michael Maynard, A History of the Debate Over 1 John 5:7-8, Temple, AZ: Comma Publications, 1995.<br />
(20) William E. Biederwolf, quoted by Frank Mead (ed.), The Encyclopedia of Religious Quotations, Westwood: Fleming H. Revell, no date, p. 50</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/07/18/congressman-bomb-meca/comment-page-1/#comment-8710</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see that you are not reading my links.  Let me put some prospective about the bible. The Holy Bible, on the other hand, was written not in a few years by one person but over many centuries by many different people (Catholic Church). In it God often speaks directly, but sometimes through the thoughts and words of holy people (inspiration by Holy Spirit). He also speaks through history, and most importantly, in the Person of Jesus Christ. God became man and word of God become flesh.  That why Jesus being person could be temped by the devil. See, the Jews leader and priest thought the messiah was coming as a king to rule, they were wrong.  Devil wanted trick him to leave astray his purposes to die in the cross for our salvation as it was professed in the old testament. In doing to he fulfills the Torah.
The first thing to explain about the Bible is that it is quite different in its form from the Qur&#039;an. The Qur&#039;an Shareef is presented as the direct speech of God. Of course it came through Muhammad, but he is thought of as the channel through which water flows without affecting the taste in any way.
When reading the Bible we need to understand this difference if we are to receive anything from God&#039;s Word. If we are expecting the Bible to be like the Qur&#039;an we will be disappointed. However, if we read the Bible with an open heart and mind, we may be surprised to find God speaking to us in a new and very powerful way. 
The main subject of the Bible, unlike the Qur&#039;an, is not God&#039;s Laws. Of course many passages do speak of the greatness and power of God. The Bible begins (Genesis chapter 1) by showing us God as the great Creator of the world. Soon we see His holiness and purity, as Adam and Eve sin and lose their close relationship with Him. We read in the &quot;historical books&quot; how the people of Israel felt His judgements both on themselves and on their enemies. We see how He gave them laws of conduct and especially the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20). 
Still, these are not the most important parts of God&#039;s character revealed in the Bible. No, it is His faithful love to men; a love that was so patient with the sinful people of Israel. A love that chose certain men like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, David and others to know Him in special ways. 
In the Old Agreement we see how often God came to His chosen people and how often they turned away from Him and failed to obey. So God finally brought in a New Agreement to fulfill and extend the old one men had broken. This time He established it not on the obedience of sinful, weak human beings, but on the Saviour from Heaven, the Messiah. This Messiah had been mentioned many times in prophecy. Now He arrived, in the form of a carpenter born in a poor home in a backward part of the great Roman Empire. Yes, God is glorious and powerful, but sometimes He hides His power and glory so that we can recognise Him without being consumed. 
In reading the New Testament, we need to be careful not to have wrong ideas in our minds If we say, &quot;Jesus was a human being and a Prophet only&quot;, we shall misunderstand Him completely. He is shown in the Bible as more than a Prophet and more than a human. Do not make up your mind what you think of Him until you have read all that the New Testament says about Him. Pay attention especially to what He said about salvation, and what His appointed representatives said about Him. For the purpose of the Bible is not just to give us teaching about God&#039;s laws, but to introduce us to a Person Who can do for us what we can never do for ourselves. 
This Person, Jesus Christ, is the main subject not only of the New Testament, but in a way, of the Old Testament too. Though the Old Testament was written many centuries before He appeared on earth, it contains many references to Him. We can see pictures of Him in the life of Joseph, for example. The sacrificial system of Israel showed the need for a substitute to take the punishment of our sins. The prophets also spoke of the coming one who would suffer for men, but would lead His people to final victory and give them a part in His eternal and spiritual Kingdom. 
All this is fulfilled in the New Testament. It has a four-fold account of His life, (the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Then there is the story of the first followers (Acts of the Apostles), followed by their teachings (the rest of the New Testament). 
Yes, the Bible is different from the Qur&#039;an. Its history is different, its purpose is different. Its main subject is different. But this library of books from different ages is one Book, for it speaks with one voice, the voice of God. May it speak to you! Pray to Him as you read, &quot;O God, show Yourself to me.&quot; He will answer this prayer if you are sincere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see that you are not reading my links.  Let me put some prospective about the bible. The Holy Bible, on the other hand, was written not in a few years by one person but over many centuries by many different people (Catholic Church). In it God often speaks directly, but sometimes through the thoughts and words of holy people (inspiration by Holy Spirit). He also speaks through history, and most importantly, in the Person of Jesus Christ. God became man and word of God become flesh.  That why Jesus being person could be temped by the devil. See, the Jews leader and priest thought the messiah was coming as a king to rule, they were wrong.  Devil wanted trick him to leave astray his purposes to die in the cross for our salvation as it was professed in the old testament. In doing to he fulfills the Torah.<br />
The first thing to explain about the Bible is that it is quite different in its form from the Qur&#8217;an. The Qur&#8217;an Shareef is presented as the direct speech of God. Of course it came through Muhammad, but he is thought of as the channel through which water flows without affecting the taste in any way.<br />
When reading the Bible we need to understand this difference if we are to receive anything from God&#8217;s Word. If we are expecting the Bible to be like the Qur&#8217;an we will be disappointed. However, if we read the Bible with an open heart and mind, we may be surprised to find God speaking to us in a new and very powerful way.<br />
The main subject of the Bible, unlike the Qur&#8217;an, is not God&#8217;s Laws. Of course many passages do speak of the greatness and power of God. The Bible begins (Genesis chapter 1) by showing us God as the great Creator of the world. Soon we see His holiness and purity, as Adam and Eve sin and lose their close relationship with Him. We read in the &#8220;historical books&#8221; how the people of Israel felt His judgements both on themselves and on their enemies. We see how He gave them laws of conduct and especially the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20).<br />
Still, these are not the most important parts of God&#8217;s character revealed in the Bible. No, it is His faithful love to men; a love that was so patient with the sinful people of Israel. A love that chose certain men like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, David and others to know Him in special ways.<br />
In the Old Agreement we see how often God came to His chosen people and how often they turned away from Him and failed to obey. So God finally brought in a New Agreement to fulfill and extend the old one men had broken. This time He established it not on the obedience of sinful, weak human beings, but on the Saviour from Heaven, the Messiah. This Messiah had been mentioned many times in prophecy. Now He arrived, in the form of a carpenter born in a poor home in a backward part of the great Roman Empire. Yes, God is glorious and powerful, but sometimes He hides His power and glory so that we can recognise Him without being consumed.<br />
In reading the New Testament, we need to be careful not to have wrong ideas in our minds If we say, &#8220;Jesus was a human being and a Prophet only&#8221;, we shall misunderstand Him completely. He is shown in the Bible as more than a Prophet and more than a human. Do not make up your mind what you think of Him until you have read all that the New Testament says about Him. Pay attention especially to what He said about salvation, and what His appointed representatives said about Him. For the purpose of the Bible is not just to give us teaching about God&#8217;s laws, but to introduce us to a Person Who can do for us what we can never do for ourselves.<br />
This Person, Jesus Christ, is the main subject not only of the New Testament, but in a way, of the Old Testament too. Though the Old Testament was written many centuries before He appeared on earth, it contains many references to Him. We can see pictures of Him in the life of Joseph, for example. The sacrificial system of Israel showed the need for a substitute to take the punishment of our sins. The prophets also spoke of the coming one who would suffer for men, but would lead His people to final victory and give them a part in His eternal and spiritual Kingdom.<br />
All this is fulfilled in the New Testament. It has a four-fold account of His life, (the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Then there is the story of the first followers (Acts of the Apostles), followed by their teachings (the rest of the New Testament).<br />
Yes, the Bible is different from the Qur&#8217;an. Its history is different, its purpose is different. Its main subject is different. But this library of books from different ages is one Book, for it speaks with one voice, the voice of God. May it speak to you! Pray to Him as you read, &#8220;O God, show Yourself to me.&#8221; He will answer this prayer if you are sincere.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/07/18/congressman-bomb-meca/comment-page-1/#comment-8693</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose Noble
mostly AbuAmir

Rose Noble and AbuAmir started that all christen believe more then one God. I proved you through bible and history (given you historical names) you and Rose are wrong on the trinity.  Justin Martyr one many to be know in Christianity to use the concept of the trinity Apology 13:5---6 [A.D. 151.  Not as you claim 200 years or 400 AD.  I can give more.  Sorry that you are misinforming about Christianity, it is not my fault. Don&#039;t get mad because I am given you information, and you are finding yourself wrong.  I think you are not ready to learn the truth. (Open your heart to the real truth because the God of Abraham is leading you to the truth) Since in your religion has heresies, and is heresies to.  Plus, Islam is the biggest sect that came from Christianity.  Muhammad and the founder of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell) are a like in their history, go to for more info http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Al-Kadhi/r06.11.html .  Calvinism (christens sect) resembles Islam that is another proof that your faith is a heresies, go to more infohttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2 .  How can you say you only consider yourself a Muslim?   If you look at the terrorist are preaching valiance and other Muslims are preaching a merciful God and piece. To make it more extreme religious terrorists are killing innocent Muslims (Iraqis).  Even history leaders of the Islamic world have killed innocent Muslims and have become corrupted and then you blame the christen world instead of fixing your problems http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509 .  You religion have fail to invade the world. Your larders and the Quran have prevented christens to practice our faith. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2   If some one visits Iraq or other Islamic countries, they will find different beliefs on Islam.  You yourself show, your ideas are disorganized because you find yourself think yourself as a Muslim. The Quran after Muhammad leaves, it was burn down many times and rewritten over again and written again by same person who burn it and written his new ideas about Muhammad cording to his interests.  Half of the Islamic book is disorganized one need to use another book or help to learn the sequence of it.  I wanted to start an argument that give good information and not discomfort you.  Sorry, I did not started with anger and dispute argument and misleading.  How can you believe a disorganized religion?  My faith is not disorganized like yours.  See any religious leader can enter a musk and preach.  I bet you, that one can&#039;t find a solid answer about particular question regarding your faith (like meaning behind jihad), you are like the Protestants.  Since, you said that my argument was weak. On the concept of Trinity you can not even prove me that it is not in the Holy bible after showing were.  I showed you where in bible talks about the concept of the trinity, and you don&#039;t get it.  Not let your feeling bluer your judgment.  Sorry, if I am proving you are wrong. 

This shows you he is the Messiah: Mt 17: 1-8 and parallels; 2 pet 1:16-18 http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm

More info about your last question about foretaste of the kingdom
From 547 -560
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief

More Proof, Sorry it so clear on the Trinity look below or the previous above discussions
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III
249-267

Please do more research about Christianity and ask questions to catholic (christen) so when you talk we have pleasant talk not a misleading one. 

Muhammad fail the devil temptations but Jesus did not.
Luke
Chapter 4
1 
1 Filled with the holy Spirit, 2 Jesus returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert 
2 
for forty days, 3 to be tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they were over he was hungry. 
3 
The devil said to him, &quot;If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.&quot; 
4 
Jesus answered him, &quot;It is written, &#039;One does not live by bread alone.&#039;&quot; 
5 
Then he took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant. 
6 
The devil said to him, &quot;I shall give to you all this power and their glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish. 
7 
All this will be yours, if you worship me.&quot; 
8 
Jesus said to him in reply, &quot;It is written: &#039;You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him alone shall you serve.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose Noble<br />
mostly AbuAmir</p>
<p>Rose Noble and AbuAmir started that all christen believe more then one God. I proved you through bible and history (given you historical names) you and Rose are wrong on the trinity.  Justin Martyr one many to be know in Christianity to use the concept of the trinity Apology 13:5&#8212;6 [A.D. 151.  Not as you claim 200 years or 400 AD.  I can give more.  Sorry that you are misinforming about Christianity, it is not my fault. Don&#8217;t get mad because I am given you information, and you are finding yourself wrong.  I think you are not ready to learn the truth. (Open your heart to the real truth because the God of Abraham is leading you to the truth) Since in your religion has heresies, and is heresies to.  Plus, Islam is the biggest sect that came from Christianity.  Muhammad and the founder of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell) are a like in their history, go to for more info <a href="http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Al-Kadhi/r06.11.html" rel="nofollow">http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Al-Kadhi/r06.11.html</a> .  Calvinism (christens sect) resembles Islam that is another proof that your faith is a heresies, go to more infohttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2 .  How can you say you only consider yourself a Muslim?   If you look at the terrorist are preaching valiance and other Muslims are preaching a merciful God and piece. To make it more extreme religious terrorists are killing innocent Muslims (Iraqis).  Even history leaders of the Islamic world have killed innocent Muslims and have become corrupted and then you blame the christen world instead of fixing your problems <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509</a> .  You religion have fail to invade the world. Your larders and the Quran have prevented christens to practice our faith. <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2</a>   If some one visits Iraq or other Islamic countries, they will find different beliefs on Islam.  You yourself show, your ideas are disorganized because you find yourself think yourself as a Muslim. The Quran after Muhammad leaves, it was burn down many times and rewritten over again and written again by same person who burn it and written his new ideas about Muhammad cording to his interests.  Half of the Islamic book is disorganized one need to use another book or help to learn the sequence of it.  I wanted to start an argument that give good information and not discomfort you.  Sorry, I did not started with anger and dispute argument and misleading.  How can you believe a disorganized religion?  My faith is not disorganized like yours.  See any religious leader can enter a musk and preach.  I bet you, that one can&#8217;t find a solid answer about particular question regarding your faith (like meaning behind jihad), you are like the Protestants.  Since, you said that my argument was weak. On the concept of Trinity you can not even prove me that it is not in the Holy bible after showing were.  I showed you where in bible talks about the concept of the trinity, and you don&#8217;t get it.  Not let your feeling bluer your judgment.  Sorry, if I am proving you are wrong. </p>
<p>This shows you he is the Messiah: Mt 17: 1-8 and parallels; 2 pet 1:16-18 <a href="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm</a></p>
<p>More info about your last question about foretaste of the kingdom<br />
From 547 -560<br />
<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief</a></p>
<p>More Proof, Sorry it so clear on the Trinity look below or the previous above discussions<br />
<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III</a><br />
249-267</p>
<p>Please do more research about Christianity and ask questions to catholic (christen) so when you talk we have pleasant talk not a misleading one. </p>
<p>Muhammad fail the devil temptations but Jesus did not.<br />
Luke<br />
Chapter 4<br />
1<br />
1 Filled with the holy Spirit, 2 Jesus returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert<br />
2<br />
for forty days, 3 to be tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they were over he was hungry.<br />
3<br />
The devil said to him, &#8220;If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.&#8221;<br />
4<br />
Jesus answered him, &#8220;It is written, &#8216;One does not live by bread alone.&#8217;&#8221;<br />
5<br />
Then he took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant.<br />
6<br />
The devil said to him, &#8220;I shall give to you all this power and their glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish.<br />
7<br />
All this will be yours, if you worship me.&#8221;<br />
8<br />
Jesus said to him in reply, &#8220;It is written: &#8216;You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him alone shall you serve.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/07/18/congressman-bomb-meca/comment-page-1/#comment-8677</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuAmir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if Jesus is God, the same god who created the devil, how could he be tempted by him? That would be illogical. How could the creator of all be tempte by &quot;All this will be yours, if you worship me.&quot;Â It is already his. The confusion, and surely satan is the sower of confusion is the fact that as Christians you have elevated Christ to the level of God and the reason why is because you do not read his words in the language he spoke, being aramaic. If you did read them and understand them in aramaic you would know that son of God in reality means servant of God and if you read various translations of Bibles it is interpreted exactly that way. You would also understand that Messiah means annointed and many were called Messiah including David, Solomon and even Darius king of Persia. 

5:116 And behold! Allah will say: &quot;O jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?&quot; He will say: &quot;Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. 


4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not &quot;Trinity&quot; : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. 

2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! 

2:136 Say ye: &quot;We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma&#039;il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).&quot; 


2:253 Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan. 

3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). 

3:45 Behold! the angels said: &quot;O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. 

3:55 Behold! Allah said: &quot;O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. 

I bear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and that Jesus is the Messenger of Allah.

I will bring more proof from your own Bible shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Jesus is God, the same god who created the devil, how could he be tempted by him? That would be illogical. How could the creator of all be tempte by &#8220;All this will be yours, if you worship me.&#8221;Â It is already his. The confusion, and surely satan is the sower of confusion is the fact that as Christians you have elevated Christ to the level of God and the reason why is because you do not read his words in the language he spoke, being aramaic. If you did read them and understand them in aramaic you would know that son of God in reality means servant of God and if you read various translations of Bibles it is interpreted exactly that way. You would also understand that Messiah means annointed and many were called Messiah including David, Solomon and even Darius king of Persia. </p>
<p>5:116 And behold! Allah will say: &#8220;O jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?&#8221; He will say: &#8220;Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. </p>
<p>4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not &#8220;Trinity&#8221; : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. </p>
<p>2:87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! </p>
<p>2:136 Say ye: &#8220;We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma&#8217;il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam).&#8221; </p>
<p>2:253 Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan. </p>
<p>3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). </p>
<p>3:45 Behold! the angels said: &#8220;O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. </p>
<p>3:55 Behold! Allah said: &#8220;O jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. </p>
<p>I bear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah and that Jesus is the Messenger of Allah.</p>
<p>I will bring more proof from your own Bible shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/07/18/congressman-bomb-meca/comment-page-1/#comment-8675</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Rose Noble and AbuAmir

Rose Noble and AbuAmir started that all christen believe more then one God. I proved you through bible and history (given you historical names) you and Rose are wrong on the trinity.  Sorry that you are misinforming about Christianity, it is not my fault. Don&#039;t get mad because I am given you information, and you are finding yourself wrong.  I think you are not ready to learn the truth. (Open your heart to the real truth because the God of Abraham is leading you to the truth) Since in your religion has heresies, and is heresies to.  Plus, Islam is the biggest sect that came from Christianity.  Muhammad and the founder of Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell).  Calvinism (christens sect) resembles Islam that is another proof that your faith is a heresies  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2 .  How can you say you only consider yourself a Muslim?   If you look at the terrorist are preaching valiance and other Muslims are preaching a merciful God and piece. To make it more extreme religious terrorists are killing innocent Muslims (Iraqis).  Even history leaders of the Islamic world have killed innocent Muslims and have become corrupted and then you blame the christen world instead of fixing your problems http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509 .  You religion have fail to invade the world. Your larders and the Quran have prevented christens to practice our faith. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2   If some one visits Iraq or other Islamic countries, they will find different beliefs on Islam.  You yourself show, your ideas are disorganized because you find yourself think yourself as a Muslim. The Quran after Muhammad leaves, it was burn down many times and rewritten over again and written again by same person who burn it and written his new ideas about Muhammad cording to his interests.  Half of the Islamic book is disorganized one need to use another book or help to learn the sequence of it.  I wanted to start an argument that give good information and not discomfort you.  Sorry, I did not started with anger and dispute argument and misleading.  How can you believe a disorganized religion?  My faith is not disorganized like yours.  See any religious leader can enter a musk and preach.  I bet you, that one can&#039;t find a solid answer about particular question regarding your faith (like meaning behind jihad), you are like the Protestants.  Since, you said that my argument was weak. On the concept of Trinity you can not even prove me that it is not in the Holy bible after showing were.  I showed you where in bible talks about the concept of the trinity, and you don&#039;t get it.  Not let your feeling bluer your judgment.  Sorry, if I am proving you are wrong.

This shows you he is the Messiah: Mt 17: 1-8 and parallels; 2 pet 1:16-18 http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm

More info about your last question about foretaste of the kingdom
From 547 -560
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief

More Proof, Sorry it so clear on the Trinity look below or the previous above discussions
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III
249-267

Please do more research about Christianity and ask questions to catholic (christen) so when you talk we have pleasant talk not a misleading one. 

Muhammad fail the devil temptations but Jesus did not.
Luke
Chapter 4
1 
1 Filled with the holy Spirit, 2 Jesus returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert 
2 
for forty days, 3 to be tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they were over he was hungry. 
3 
The devil said to him, &quot;If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.&quot; 
4 
Jesus answered him, &quot;It is written, &#039;One does not live by bread alone.&#039;&quot; 
5 
Then he took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant. 
6 
The devil said to him, &quot;I shall give to you all this power and their glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish. 
7 
All this will be yours, if you worship me.&quot; 
8 
Jesus said to him in reply, &quot;It is written: &#039;You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him alone shall you serve.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rose Noble and AbuAmir</p>
<p>Rose Noble and AbuAmir started that all christen believe more then one God. I proved you through bible and history (given you historical names) you and Rose are wrong on the trinity.  Sorry that you are misinforming about Christianity, it is not my fault. Don&#8217;t get mad because I am given you information, and you are finding yourself wrong.  I think you are not ready to learn the truth. (Open your heart to the real truth because the God of Abraham is leading you to the truth) Since in your religion has heresies, and is heresies to.  Plus, Islam is the biggest sect that came from Christianity.  Muhammad and the founder of Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses (Charles Taze Russell).  Calvinism (christens sect) resembles Islam that is another proof that your faith is a heresies  <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2</a> .  How can you say you only consider yourself a Muslim?   If you look at the terrorist are preaching valiance and other Muslims are preaching a merciful God and piece. To make it more extreme religious terrorists are killing innocent Muslims (Iraqis).  Even history leaders of the Islamic world have killed innocent Muslims and have become corrupted and then you blame the christen world instead of fixing your problems <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26509</a> .  You religion have fail to invade the world. Your larders and the Quran have prevented christens to practice our faith. <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1003616/posts?page=2</a>   If some one visits Iraq or other Islamic countries, they will find different beliefs on Islam.  You yourself show, your ideas are disorganized because you find yourself think yourself as a Muslim. The Quran after Muhammad leaves, it was burn down many times and rewritten over again and written again by same person who burn it and written his new ideas about Muhammad cording to his interests.  Half of the Islamic book is disorganized one need to use another book or help to learn the sequence of it.  I wanted to start an argument that give good information and not discomfort you.  Sorry, I did not started with anger and dispute argument and misleading.  How can you believe a disorganized religion?  My faith is not disorganized like yours.  See any religious leader can enter a musk and preach.  I bet you, that one can&#8217;t find a solid answer about particular question regarding your faith (like meaning behind jihad), you are like the Protestants.  Since, you said that my argument was weak. On the concept of Trinity you can not even prove me that it is not in the Holy bible after showing were.  I showed you where in bible talks about the concept of the trinity, and you don&#8217;t get it.  Not let your feeling bluer your judgment.  Sorry, if I am proving you are wrong.</p>
<p>This shows you he is the Messiah: Mt 17: 1-8 and parallels; 2 pet 1:16-18 <a href="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew17.htm</a></p>
<p>More info about your last question about foretaste of the kingdom<br />
From 547 -560<br />
<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p122a3p3.htm#brief</a></p>
<p>More Proof, Sorry it so clear on the Trinity look below or the previous above discussions<br />
<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm#III</a><br />
249-267</p>
<p>Please do more research about Christianity and ask questions to catholic (christen) so when you talk we have pleasant talk not a misleading one. </p>
<p>Muhammad fail the devil temptations but Jesus did not.<br />
Luke<br />
Chapter 4<br />
1<br />
1 Filled with the holy Spirit, 2 Jesus returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert<br />
2<br />
for forty days, 3 to be tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they were over he was hungry.<br />
3<br />
The devil said to him, &#8220;If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.&#8221;<br />
4<br />
Jesus answered him, &#8220;It is written, &#8216;One does not live by bread alone.&#8217;&#8221;<br />
5<br />
Then he took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant.<br />
6<br />
The devil said to him, &#8220;I shall give to you all this power and their glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish.<br />
7<br />
All this will be yours, if you worship me.&#8221;<br />
8<br />
Jesus said to him in reply, &#8220;It is written: &#8216;You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him alone shall you serve.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AbuAmir</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/07/18/congressman-bomb-meca/comment-page-1/#comment-8612</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuAmir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 15:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were the torah (Jewish sacred scriptures) and the gospel (Christian sacred scriptures) ever considered as being from the one true God by muhhamad/quoran/islam? 

Yes

3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). 

3:48 &quot;And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the gospel, 

3:65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding? 

5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. 

5:47 Let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. 

5:66 If only they had stood fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil. 

5:68 Say: &quot;O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.&quot; It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. 

5:110 Then will Allah say: &quot;O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: &#039;This is nothing but evident magic.&#039; 

9:111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the gospel, and the Qur&#039;an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. 

48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. 

57:27 Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah. but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors. 

7:157 &quot;Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.&quot; 

As for the deception you describe one could question why God in Christianity would allow false prophets to arise and lead men astray. Is not God the creator of everything, good and evil?

David, you are passionate about what you believe but your arguments are weak. I don&#039;t see how you, almighty you have come along and settled 1400 years of debate summing it up in &quot;This show put to rest the nonsensical arguments that the muslims everywhere are putting against the one true word of God, which is of course the Christian bible.&quot;

You are also sidetracking me from  my discussion with Rose who definitely seems much more knowledgeable than you and has maintained better ettiquette. 

16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the torah (Jewish sacred scriptures) and the gospel (Christian sacred scriptures) ever considered as being from the one true God by muhhamad/quoran/islam? </p>
<p>Yes</p>
<p>3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). </p>
<p>3:48 &#8220;And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the gospel, </p>
<p>3:65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding? </p>
<p>5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. </p>
<p>5:47 Let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. </p>
<p>5:66 If only they had stood fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil. </p>
<p>5:68 Say: &#8220;O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.&#8221; It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. </p>
<p>5:110 Then will Allah say: &#8220;O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: &#8216;This is nothing but evident magic.&#8217; </p>
<p>9:111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the gospel, and the Qur&#8217;an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. </p>
<p>48:29 Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. </p>
<p>57:27 Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah. but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors. </p>
<p>7:157 &#8220;Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the deception you describe one could question why God in Christianity would allow false prophets to arise and lead men astray. Is not God the creator of everything, good and evil?</p>
<p>David, you are passionate about what you believe but your arguments are weak. I don&#8217;t see how you, almighty you have come along and settled 1400 years of debate summing it up in &#8220;This show put to rest the nonsensical arguments that the muslims everywhere are putting against the one true word of God, which is of course the Christian bible.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are also sidetracking me from  my discussion with Rose who definitely seems much more knowledgeable than you and has maintained better ettiquette. </p>
<p>16:125 Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.</p>
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