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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9822</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They can waltz right in and take over as soon as they feel like it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then why was Gov. Blanco able to, for 5 days, refuse to hand control over to the Feds?  She finally relented, but didn&#039;t want to hand power over because she would appear weak.  Why did it take Ray Nagin and George Bush trying to convince Blanco to turn the power over?

&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, for the 90&#039;s hurricanes, FEMA pre-prepared for the disasters by bringing the necessary supplies in ahead of time, and they didn&#039;t wait to be asked to do so, either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, FEMA did this for Katrina.

&lt;blockquote&gt;FEMA&#039;s response times were awful in comparison to the agency&#039;s pre-Brown response times, particularly under director Witt. They were not better.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are not contradicting me.  I didn&#039;t say that the Katrina response was faster than response times under director Witt.  I said the Katrina response was faster than &lt;em&gt;normal&lt;/em&gt;... i.e. average.  Witt did a fine job.  Witt should have the job now.  His years represented the agency&#039;s high point, after the agency miserable failure for hurricane Andrew in 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They can waltz right in and take over as soon as they feel like it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then why was Gov. Blanco able to, for 5 days, refuse to hand control over to the Feds?  She finally relented, but didn&#8217;t want to hand power over because she would appear weak.  Why did it take Ray Nagin and George Bush trying to convince Blanco to turn the power over?</p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, for the 90&#8217;s hurricanes, FEMA pre-prepared for the disasters by bringing the necessary supplies in ahead of time, and they didn&#8217;t wait to be asked to do so, either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, FEMA did this for Katrina.</p>
<blockquote><p>FEMA&#8217;s response times were awful in comparison to the agency&#8217;s pre-Brown response times, particularly under director Witt. They were not better.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are not contradicting me.  I didn&#8217;t say that the Katrina response was faster than response times under director Witt.  I said the Katrina response was faster than <em>normal</em>&#8230; i.e. average.  Witt did a fine job.  Witt should have the job now.  His years represented the agency&#8217;s high point, after the agency miserable failure for hurricane Andrew in 1992.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9821</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. I wrote &quot;federal disaster&quot;...that should have read &quot;natural disaster&quot;. The old Freudian slip rears its ugly head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. I wrote &#8220;federal disaster&#8221;&#8230;that should have read &#8220;natural disaster&#8221;. The old Freudian slip rears its ugly head.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9820</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree, the important part there is Federal. The Feds can&#039;t just waltz in and save the day... they have to respect LA&#039;s authority, which rests in the governor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, no they don&#039;t. They can waltz right in and take over as soon as they feel like it. Just like the FBI can waltz in and take over a case from a local jurisdiction, they don&#039;t have to wait for local permission to come in.

Waiting for permission is just being polite (and being polite in the case of a federal disaster is a case of misplaced priorities). In fact, for the 90&#039;s hurricanes, FEMA pre-prepared for the disasters by bringing the necessary supplies in ahead of time, and they didn&#039;t wait to be asked to do so, either.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also note that the response to Katrina, while inadequate in the eyes of many, was faster and better than normal for the agency.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I know this has been said before by one of the other readers/respondents in one of the Katrina posts hereabouts: FEMA&#039;s response times were awful in comparison to the agency&#039;s pre-Brown response times, particularly under director Witt. &lt;i&gt;They were not better&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree, the important part there is Federal. The Feds can&#8217;t just waltz in and save the day&#8230; they have to respect LA&#8217;s authority, which rests in the governor.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, no they don&#8217;t. They can waltz right in and take over as soon as they feel like it. Just like the FBI can waltz in and take over a case from a local jurisdiction, they don&#8217;t have to wait for local permission to come in.</p>
<p>Waiting for permission is just being polite (and being polite in the case of a federal disaster is a case of misplaced priorities). In fact, for the 90&#8217;s hurricanes, FEMA pre-prepared for the disasters by bringing the necessary supplies in ahead of time, and they didn&#8217;t wait to be asked to do so, either.</p>
<blockquote><p>Also note that the response to Katrina, while inadequate in the eyes of many, was faster and better than normal for the agency.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know this has been said before by one of the other readers/respondents in one of the Katrina posts hereabouts: FEMA&#8217;s response times were awful in comparison to the agency&#8217;s pre-Brown response times, particularly under director Witt. <i>They were not better</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time it took for Gov. Blanco to request that the Feds take over: 5 days
Time for the Feds to arrive at the Superdome after that request: a couple hours

I agree, the important part there is &lt;em&gt;Federal&lt;/em&gt;.  The Feds can&#039;t just waltz in and save the day... they have to respect LA&#039;s authority, which rests in the governor.

Also note that the response to Katrina, while inadequate in the eyes of many, was faster and better than normal for the agency.

These problems never seem to happen in Florida... we always manage to figure things out.  I wonder why that is?  The Federal involvement isn&#039;t any different... it must be that our local government is just better at its job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time it took for Gov. Blanco to request that the Feds take over: 5 days<br />
Time for the Feds to arrive at the Superdome after that request: a couple hours</p>
<p>I agree, the important part there is <em>Federal</em>.  The Feds can&#8217;t just waltz in and save the day&#8230; they have to respect LA&#8217;s authority, which rests in the governor.</p>
<p>Also note that the response to Katrina, while inadequate in the eyes of many, was faster and better than normal for the agency.</p>
<p>These problems never seem to happen in Florida&#8230; we always manage to figure things out.  I wonder why that is?  The Federal involvement isn&#8217;t any different&#8230; it must be that our local government is just better at its job.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9430</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark...it&#039;s FEMA. F E M A. Federal Emergency Management Agency. Note the first word making up the acronym.

Now, I get it is ridiculous that people are blaming Bush for not evacuating people from Houston, because we know that&#039;s not his job (though, tangentially, it is a bloody ridiculous mess down there, again). But we&#039;re not talking about Houston; we&#039;re talking about the absolutely deplorable federal response to Katrina, a good chunk of which can be traced right back to said cronyism, which is Bush&#039;s fault.

(And I note I misspelled &quot;responsible&quot; in my prior post. Bah.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark&#8230;it&#8217;s FEMA. F E M A. Federal Emergency Management Agency. Note the first word making up the acronym.</p>
<p>Now, I get it is ridiculous that people are blaming Bush for not evacuating people from Houston, because we know that&#8217;s not his job (though, tangentially, it is a bloody ridiculous mess down there, again). But we&#8217;re not talking about Houston; we&#8217;re talking about the absolutely deplorable federal response to Katrina, a good chunk of which can be traced right back to said cronyism, which is Bush&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>(And I note I misspelled &#8220;responsible&#8221; in my prior post. Bah.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9427</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still misunderstand the Federal government&#039;s role.  People are already complaining that &quot;Bush&quot; isn&#039;t evacuating people from Houston.  Not the job of the Feds, period.  I echo your disgust about the Washington cronyism that goes on, but don&#039;t think it was to blame for the mess in New Orleans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still misunderstand the Federal government&#8217;s role.  People are already complaining that &#8220;Bush&#8221; isn&#8217;t evacuating people from Houston.  Not the job of the Feds, period.  I echo your disgust about the Washington cronyism that goes on, but don&#8217;t think it was to blame for the mess in New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9426</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, he did screw it up from the beginning: Mr. &quot;hell of a job, Brownie&quot; Brown was Bush&#039;s glowing appointment to the FEMA position, replacing the competent and organized direction from the previous appointment (Witt), when FEMA was actually doing its job correctly. But you know what they say, &quot;If it ain&#039;t broke, fire the guy responisble and give your college buddy the job.&quot;

Note the so-called four years of government reforms to make us safer from disasters and terrorists were also his responsibility, and we can see how well they turned out (because, you know, I feel so much safer now that the Bush government and its national disaster policies have actually been put to the test...that&#039;s sarcasm, BTW).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, he did screw it up from the beginning: Mr. &#8220;hell of a job, Brownie&#8221; Brown was Bush&#8217;s glowing appointment to the FEMA position, replacing the competent and organized direction from the previous appointment (Witt), when FEMA was actually doing its job correctly. But you know what they say, &#8220;If it ain&#8217;t broke, fire the guy responisble and give your college buddy the job.&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the so-called four years of government reforms to make us safer from disasters and terrorists were also his responsibility, and we can see how well they turned out (because, you know, I feel so much safer now that the Bush government and its national disaster policies have actually been put to the test&#8230;that&#8217;s sarcasm, BTW).</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9409</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw &lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050922/D8CP99C00.html&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; on MyWay news this morning and thought of your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw <a href="http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050922/D8CP99C00.html">this article</a> on MyWay news this morning and thought of your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Diggers Realm</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9384</link>
		<dc:creator>Diggers Realm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Diggers Realm Nominated For Watcher of Weasels Vote&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;d like to thank those who nominated my entry &quot;Charlie Norwood (R-GA) Lays The Smack Down On Vicente Fox&#039;s Offer Of Mexican Labor&quot; for inclusion in the voting this week at the Watcher of Weasels. I&#039;m in the running against...</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d like to thank those who nominated my entry &#8220;Charlie Norwood (R-GA) Lays The Smack Down On Vicente Fox&#8217;s Offer Of Mexican Labor&#8221; for inclusion in the voting this week at the Watcher of Weasels. I&#8217;m in the running against&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Watcher of Weasels</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9383</link>
		<dc:creator>Watcher of Weasels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Submitted for Your Approval&lt;/strong&gt;

First off...&#160; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&#160; and here.&#160; Die spambots, die!&#160; And now...&#160; here are all the links submitted by members of the Watcher&#039;s Council for this week&#039;s vote. Council li...</description>
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<p>First off&#8230;&nbsp; any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,&nbsp; and here.&nbsp; Die spambots, die!&nbsp; And now&#8230;&nbsp; here are all the links submitted by members of the Watcher&#8217;s Council for this week&#8217;s vote. Council li&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9379</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have screwed it up from the very beginning because it&#039;s not his job or the job of the Federal government!  Nevertheless, he tried to help, but Blanco would have none of it.  She didn&#039;t want to appear weak by appealing to the Federal government.  Many people weren&#039;t even informed of the mandatory evacuation, when it was finally given.  The local disaster plan was ignored, and no use was made of public resources to get people out.  They just opened up the Superdome and crossed their fingers.  And 5 days later, when Blanco finally asked for the Feds to take over, it is suddenly their fault?

Now, I&#039;m with you on the ridiculous spending.  I say we repeal that pork-laden highway bill and start cutting out presidential yachts and $250 million bridges to islands inhabited by 50 people.  Federal spending is out of control, and Bush doesn&#039;t seem capable of vetoing anything that increases it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He <em>can&#8217;t</em> have screwed it up from the very beginning because it&#8217;s not his job or the job of the Federal government!  Nevertheless, he tried to help, but Blanco would have none of it.  She didn&#8217;t want to appear weak by appealing to the Federal government.  Many people weren&#8217;t even informed of the mandatory evacuation, when it was finally given.  The local disaster plan was ignored, and no use was made of public resources to get people out.  They just opened up the Superdome and crossed their fingers.  And 5 days later, when Blanco finally asked for the Feds to take over, it is suddenly their fault?</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m with you on the ridiculous spending.  I say we repeal that pork-laden highway bill and start cutting out presidential yachts and $250 million bridges to islands inhabited by 50 people.  Federal spending is out of control, and Bush doesn&#8217;t seem capable of vetoing anything that increases it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Raven Daegmorgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Painting Bush as a hero in the Katrina situation? Talk about misguided hero-worship; no matter what else might be said about anyone else involved, he and his administration have screwed up on this from the very beginning.

Let&#039;s not even talk about how the disaster &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/&quot;&gt;was foreseen from the beginning&lt;/a&gt;, despite the president&#039;s mournful claims to the contrary in various public addresses. Oh, and rebuilding NO -- no new taxes but $100 billion extra dollars out of an already broken budget. Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Painting Bush as a hero in the Katrina situation? Talk about misguided hero-worship; no matter what else might be said about anyone else involved, he and his administration have screwed up on this from the very beginning.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not even talk about how the disaster <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9369041/">was foreseen from the beginning</a>, despite the president&#8217;s mournful claims to the contrary in various public addresses. Oh, and rebuilding NO &#8212; no new taxes but $100 billion extra dollars out of an already broken budget. Right.</p>
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		<title>By: IO ERROR</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2005/09/20/katrina-take-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-9373</link>
		<dc:creator>IO ERROR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What wasn&#039;t widely reported, and that you seemed to have missed, is that Nagin&#039;s plan was a phased repopulation, basically one zip code at a time, as services such as electricity were restored to those areas, people would be asked to come back to them. By the way, NOW he&#039;s got his 500 buses to re-evacuate New Orleans if needed, but Hurricane Rita isn&#039;t all that likely to hit -- or even come close to -- New Orleans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What wasn&#8217;t widely reported, and that you seemed to have missed, is that Nagin&#8217;s plan was a phased repopulation, basically one zip code at a time, as services such as electricity were restored to those areas, people would be asked to come back to them. By the way, NOW he&#8217;s got his 500 buses to re-evacuate New Orleans if needed, but Hurricane Rita isn&#8217;t all that likely to hit &#8212; or even come close to &#8212; New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: MacManX.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacManX.com</dc:creator>
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