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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-42617</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Stricklin</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-42564</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Stricklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 19:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice sarcasm, Kevin. :)

Look, all I&#039;m saying is when it comes to national security issues, you can&#039;t expect the president (whomever he is) to be totally forthcoming on everything. What if Roosevelt and Churchill had been honest about Calis? In Bush&#039;s mind, the NSA system had been used by Clinton, his AG and members of Congress had told him they had no qualms about the program, so in his mind, he was justified in being misleading. I just argue he shouldn&#039;t have commented on it in the first place.

I&#039;m tired of defending President Bush. I&#039;ll be glad when his term is up. I believe the program is illegal. I&#039;m not arguing any of this, I&#039;m just saying when anyone tells you anything about operational security matters, don&#039;t be disappointed when you later learn they were intentionally misleading you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice sarcasm, Kevin. <img src='http://s.txfx.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Look, all I&#8217;m saying is when it comes to national security issues, you can&#8217;t expect the president (whomever he is) to be totally forthcoming on everything. What if Roosevelt and Churchill had been honest about Calis? In Bush&#8217;s mind, the NSA system had been used by Clinton, his AG and members of Congress had told him they had no qualms about the program, so in his mind, he was justified in being misleading. I just argue he shouldn&#8217;t have commented on it in the first place.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of defending President Bush. I&#8217;ll be glad when his term is up. I believe the program is illegal. I&#8217;m not arguing any of this, I&#8217;m just saying when anyone tells you anything about operational security matters, don&#8217;t be disappointed when you later learn they were intentionally misleading you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-42435</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As in, &quot;before the President wanted to make Al Queda aware that things were being done differently and secretly in order to foil any future attacks on the United States.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

FISA is a secret court.  Whether or not they notify FISA has no standing on whether or not the terrorists find out about it.  Bush told the terrorists he was going to listen in to their communications, in October 2001.  It wasn&#039;t a secret.  The secret was that the wiretaps were being done without court supervision, in violation of the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As in, &#8220;before the President wanted to make Al Queda aware that things were being done differently and secretly in order to foil any future attacks on the United States.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>FISA is a secret court.  Whether or not they notify FISA has no standing on whether or not the terrorists find out about it.  Bush told the terrorists he was going to listen in to their communications, in October 2001.  It wasn&#8217;t a secret.  The secret was that the wiretaps were being done without court supervision, in violation of the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-42386</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it was pretty smart of Bush not to inform the terrorists that he was wiretapping them without even bothering to get a warrant.  I wonder how many plots were foiled or terrorists were nabbed before the NYT squealed to the bad guys.

I guess we&#039;ll never know, since Bush probably doesn&#039;t want the terrorists to know which of our tactics work best in catching them.  Still, it&#039;s nice to know he&#039;s there to look out for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it was pretty smart of Bush not to inform the terrorists that he was wiretapping them without even bothering to get a warrant.  I wonder how many plots were foiled or terrorists were nabbed before the NYT squealed to the bad guys.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll never know, since Bush probably doesn&#8217;t want the terrorists to know which of our tactics work best in catching them.  Still, it&#8217;s nice to know he&#8217;s there to look out for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Stricklin</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-39823</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Stricklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 12:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...before the existence of the NSA&#039;s warrantless wiretap program was confirmed.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As in, &quot;before the President wanted to make Al Queda aware that things were being done differently and secretly in order to foil any future attacks on the United States.&quot;

What&#039;d ya think? He was going to say, &quot;Oh yeah! We&#039;ve got this really neat secret NSA program to really mess up the way they communicate with one another!&quot;?

I&#039;m not happy with the program or that he (using your words) lied to conceal the program&#039;s existence, but I understand it. He should have instead said something like, &quot;I&#039;m not going to discuss ongoing programs.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;before the existence of the NSA&#8217;s warrantless wiretap program was confirmed.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As in, &#8220;before the President wanted to make Al Queda aware that things were being done differently and secretly in order to foil any future attacks on the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;d ya think? He was going to say, &#8220;Oh yeah! We&#8217;ve got this really neat secret NSA program to really mess up the way they communicate with one another!&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not happy with the program or that he (using your words) lied to conceal the program&#8217;s existence, but I understand it. He should have instead said something like, &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to discuss ongoing programs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: the converted</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2006/09/19/bush-in-2004-a-wiretap-requires-a-court-order/comment-page-1/#comment-39168</link>
		<dc:creator>the converted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said it, brother. This one is so obvious and disgusting. The courts have never refused more than a tiny handful of these requests so why do they want to avoid it? Because they are trying to hide their illegal behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said it, brother. This one is so obvious and disgusting. The courts have never refused more than a tiny handful of these requests so why do they want to avoid it? Because they are trying to hide their illegal behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Luna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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