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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s plan to reduce pain of gas prices</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-672408</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wont work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wont work!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Sowards</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-640795</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Sowards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL fail for obama.

Good diagram, it reminds me of something I would see on www.xkcd.com

Hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL fail for obama.</p>
<p>Good diagram, it reminds me of something I would see on <a href="http://www.xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xkcd.com</a></p>
<p>Hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-638646</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no no, I&#039;m not saying that I don&#039;t have to explain my principles.  Just that I don&#039;t have to justify the results of those principles.  I&#039;ll freely admin that freedom and human rights have real, measurable &lt;em&gt;negative&lt;/em&gt; results.  It doesn&#039;t make my principles invalid -- my principles aren&#039;t beholden to the results of their implementation.

So the full version would be &quot;screw you, it&#039;s my money... and here is why it is morally right for people to own the fruits of their labor [...]&quot;

If the results are good, that&#039;s a bonus.  Moral rectitude is more important to me than getting a desired result.  I loathe pragmatism -- the grandfather of socialism, communism and fascism in all their flavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no no, I&#8217;m not saying that I don&#8217;t have to explain my principles.  Just that I don&#8217;t have to justify the results of those principles.  I&#8217;ll freely admin that freedom and human rights have real, measurable <em>negative</em> results.  It doesn&#8217;t make my principles invalid &#8212; my principles aren&#8217;t beholden to the results of their implementation.</p>
<p>So the full version would be &#8220;screw you, it&#8217;s my money&#8230; and here is why it is morally right for people to own the fruits of their labor [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>If the results are good, that&#8217;s a bonus.  Moral rectitude is more important to me than getting a desired result.  I loathe pragmatism &#8212; the grandfather of socialism, communism and fascism in all their flavors.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-638511</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missing my point, Chris.  I was talking about &lt;em&gt;me&lt;/em&gt; persuading.  Not government.

Government never persuades.  Just try not paying your taxes once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missing my point, Chris.  I was talking about <em>me</em> persuading.  Not government.</p>
<p>Government never persuades.  Just try not paying your taxes once.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-638455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be happy if the government persuaded with incentives, but mandating a minimum wage isn&#039;t persuasion.  Confiscatory taxes are not persuasion, but blatant robbery.  I&#039;ll gladly write a check directly to the military for the defense of the nation, and in all likely hood it would be larger than my tax bill today.  I&#039;ll gladly pay to send my child to school, but I want a choice of school, not a monopoly where my confiscated taxes go to a state run school and I can&#039;t even transfer that amount to the private school of my choice.  We have lost way to many liberties &quot;for the common good&quot; to do any good for the common people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be happy if the government persuaded with incentives, but mandating a minimum wage isn&#8217;t persuasion.  Confiscatory taxes are not persuasion, but blatant robbery.  I&#8217;ll gladly write a check directly to the military for the defense of the nation, and in all likely hood it would be larger than my tax bill today.  I&#8217;ll gladly pay to send my child to school, but I want a choice of school, not a monopoly where my confiscated taxes go to a state run school and I can&#8217;t even transfer that amount to the private school of my choice.  We have lost way to many liberties &#8220;for the common good&#8221; to do any good for the common people.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-638356</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I should note that I&#039;m not the perfect persuader.  My &quot;screw you&quot; side comes out a bit too often.  I consider a personal failing.

Also, I&#039;d say that the &quot;haughtiness&quot; you allude to is a big reason why Ron Paul&#039;s campaign (who, if I remember correctly, you supported) didn&#039;t get a lot of traction.

Maybe if there was a bit less &quot;screw you&quot; in that campaign and a bit more &quot;hey, this is why we&#039;re right&quot; it would have been more successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I should note that I&#8217;m not the perfect persuader.  My &#8220;screw you&#8221; side comes out a bit too often.  I consider a personal failing.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d say that the &#8220;haughtiness&#8221; you allude to is a big reason why Ron Paul&#8217;s campaign (who, if I remember correctly, you supported) didn&#8217;t get a lot of traction.</p>
<p>Maybe if there was a bit less &#8220;screw you&#8221; in that campaign and a bit more &#8220;hey, this is why we&#8217;re right&#8221; it would have been more successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I get you.

Probably the only place where we diverge on domestic policy is that I&#039;m not willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

It&#039;s all well and good to say &quot;screw you, I want to pay the wages I want to pay.&quot;  The reality is that there are a lot of people in the country who aren&#039;t convinced by that argument.

Political reality is that we must persuade, not say &quot;screw you.&quot;

Put simply, when you say &quot;screw you&quot; I agree with you.  But the whole reason I spend the time and resources I do on writing about politics in public is that I want to educate people about my way of thinking (which, like you, I think is the right one).  To do that, I have to persuade.

And that means making valid, real-world arguments.

I wish things were simple as saying &quot;F-you, it&#039;s my money, use your own money to fund your charity.&quot;  But they&#039;re not, alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I get you.</p>
<p>Probably the only place where we diverge on domestic policy is that I&#8217;m not willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all well and good to say &#8220;screw you, I want to pay the wages I want to pay.&#8221;  The reality is that there are a lot of people in the country who aren&#8217;t convinced by that argument.</p>
<p>Political reality is that we must persuade, not say &#8220;screw you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Put simply, when you say &#8220;screw you&#8221; I agree with you.  But the whole reason I spend the time and resources I do on writing about politics in public is that I want to educate people about my way of thinking (which, like you, I think is the right one).  To do that, I have to persuade.</p>
<p>And that means making valid, real-world arguments.</p>
<p>I wish things were simple as saying &#8220;F-you, it&#8217;s my money, use your own money to fund your charity.&#8221;  But they&#8217;re not, alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2008/08/04/obamas-plan-to-reduce-pain-of-gas-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-638251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

I&#039;ve just come to be tired of having principles reverse-engineered from pragmatic judgments.  And as most of politics is pragmatic, I&#039;ve grown cynical and, yes, a little bit haughty about the popular political landscape.  It&#039;s actually rather liberating.  I don&#039;t care which of McCain or Obama wins the election, because they both are enemies of freedom.  And more generally it allows me to stand up for my convictions not because I think they are advantageous to the country&#039;s prosperity, but because they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt;.  e.g. I don&#039;t have to argue that the minimum wage is bad because it results in a lowering of real wages.  I can just say &quot;screw you -- it&#039;s my money, and if I want to pay someone $4.00 an hour, that&#039;s my business.&quot;

I think we&#039;re probably fairly closely in sync on domestic issues... it&#039;s probably just the foreign policy stuff where I&#039;ve diverged.  But my main point was, an Obama presidency gives Republicans, Conservatives, and Libertarians a chance to commiserate about a common domestic enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just come to be tired of having principles reverse-engineered from pragmatic judgments.  And as most of politics is pragmatic, I&#8217;ve grown cynical and, yes, a little bit haughty about the popular political landscape.  It&#8217;s actually rather liberating.  I don&#8217;t care which of McCain or Obama wins the election, because they both are enemies of freedom.  And more generally it allows me to stand up for my convictions not because I think they are advantageous to the country&#8217;s prosperity, but because they&#8217;re <em>right</em>.  e.g. I don&#8217;t have to argue that the minimum wage is bad because it results in a lowering of real wages.  I can just say &#8220;screw you &#8212; it&#8217;s my money, and if I want to pay someone $4.00 an hour, that&#8217;s my business.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re probably fairly closely in sync on domestic issues&#8230; it&#8217;s probably just the foreign policy stuff where I&#8217;ve diverged.  But my main point was, an Obama presidency gives Republicans, Conservatives, and Libertarians a chance to commiserate about a common domestic enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those consumers who use more oil lose.

Those consumers who use less oil win.

Conservation driven by market forces!  Shazzam!!

-danny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those consumers who use more oil lose.</p>
<p>Those consumers who use less oil win.</p>
<p>Conservation driven by market forces!  Shazzam!!</p>
<p>-danny</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were never in my &quot;bad&quot; graces.  I just happened to disagree with some of your other opinions strenuously.

The &quot;I&#039;m libertarian/green party/constitutional party/whatever party and above all the Republican/Democrat partisanship&quot; stuff is irksome.  As if libertarians, etc. aren&#039;t every bit as capable of being stupid and trite and overly-broad in their pronouncements and Republicans and Democrats.

And I&#039;m not even sure how conservative I am.  I don&#039;t have a problem with gay marriage.  I think marijuana should be legal.  I think we&#039;re putting far too many people in jail in this country.  And I think most Republicans in office only pay lip service to the limited government ideals that are supposedly at the heart of their party.

I am what I am, and when I doubt I tend to err on the side of liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were never in my &#8220;bad&#8221; graces.  I just happened to disagree with some of your other opinions strenuously.</p>
<p>The &#8220;I&#8217;m libertarian/green party/constitutional party/whatever party and above all the Republican/Democrat partisanship&#8221; stuff is irksome.  As if libertarians, etc. aren&#8217;t every bit as capable of being stupid and trite and overly-broad in their pronouncements and Republicans and Democrats.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not even sure how conservative I am.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with gay marriage.  I think marijuana should be legal.  I think we&#8217;re putting far too many people in jail in this country.  And I think most Republicans in office only pay lip service to the limited government ideals that are supposedly at the heart of their party.</p>
<p>I am what I am, and when I doubt I tend to err on the side of liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Poteet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Poteet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a nice circle you have there of economic failure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a nice circle you have there of economic failure!</p>
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