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		<title>By: Daniel Howard</title>
		<link>http://txfx.net/2010/05/13/usa-today-is-wrong-about-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-753025</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 22:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Global Warming is a Big Lie too because it snowed a few months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Global Warming is a Big Lie too because it snowed a few months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 14:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
To the extent that taxes are structured to disproportionately rob the successful, receipts suffer when the nation is less successful.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or, to quote a politician or two: &quot;A rising tide raises all boats.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
All I know is that way more than 9.2% of my income goes to the government. So any news of a decrease in the narrowly-defined Federal income tax portion (less Medicare, less Social Security) is little consolation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen, brother. My checking account is &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; stinging from April 15th.</description>
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To the extent that taxes are structured to disproportionately rob the successful, receipts suffer when the nation is less successful.
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<p>Or, to quote a politician or two: &#8220;A rising tide raises all boats.&#8221;</p>
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All I know is that way more than 9.2% of my income goes to the government. So any news of a decrease in the narrowly-defined Federal income tax portion (less Medicare, less Social Security) is little consolation.
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<p>Amen, brother. My checking account is <i>still</i> stinging from April 15th.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 08:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So: yes, by certain measures, Americans are paying less in taxes than in years past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s correct. But their numbers, including the 9.2% number that was said to encompass &quot;Federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes&quot; were not. They&#039;ve changed the article, so it reads differently now. But it&#039;s still wrong. And as you correctly pointed out, the reasons for the reduction in tax bills are all for really bad reasons: our economy is in trouble. To the extent that taxes are structured to disproportionately rob the successful, receipts suffer when the nation is less successful.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The BEA classifies Social Security taxes as insurance payments&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a phrase for a mandatory insurance scheme enforced with threat of physical violence and with no guaranteed payout: a protection racket. :-)

The real kicker is that taxation is so rigged and gamed and loopholed that they couldn&#039;t possibly come up with one number that stands for anything. Many people pay negative taxes. Are you going to average those in with the people who pay 60% or more of their income to the government and expect the resulting number to be in any way meaningful?

All I know is that way more than 9.2% of my income goes to the government. So any news of a decrease in the narrowly-defined Federal income tax portion (less Medicare, less Social Security) is little consolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So: yes, by certain measures, Americans are paying less in taxes than in years past.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s correct. But their numbers, including the 9.2% number that was said to encompass &#8220;Federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes&#8221; were not. They&#8217;ve changed the article, so it reads differently now. But it&#8217;s still wrong. And as you correctly pointed out, the reasons for the reduction in tax bills are all for really bad reasons: our economy is in trouble. To the extent that taxes are structured to disproportionately rob the successful, receipts suffer when the nation is less successful.</p>
<blockquote><p>The BEA classifies Social Security taxes as insurance payments</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a phrase for a mandatory insurance scheme enforced with threat of physical violence and with no guaranteed payout: a protection racket. <img src='http://s.txfx.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The real kicker is that taxation is so rigged and gamed and loopholed that they couldn&#8217;t possibly come up with one number that stands for anything. Many people pay negative taxes. Are you going to average those in with the people who pay 60% or more of their income to the government and expect the resulting number to be in any way meaningful?</p>
<p>All I know is that way more than 9.2% of my income goes to the government. So any news of a decrease in the narrowly-defined Federal income tax portion (less Medicare, less Social Security) is little consolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, this passage struck me:

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Individual tax rates vary widely based on how much a taxpayer earns, where the person lives and other factors. On average, though, the tax rate paid by all Americans — rich and poor, combined — has fallen 26% since the recession began in 2007. That means a $3,400 annual tax savings for a household paying the average national rate and earning the &lt;b&gt;average national household income of $102,000.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...Wha? They&#039;re using the &lt;i&gt;mean&lt;/i&gt; income as an example?

Every. Bleeding. Economist. that you might encounter will always use the &lt;i&gt;median&lt;/i&gt; as it&#039;s far more indicative of real income levels, as billionaires tend to skew the mean by a hefty margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, this passage struck me:</p>
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Individual tax rates vary widely based on how much a taxpayer earns, where the person lives and other factors. On average, though, the tax rate paid by all Americans — rich and poor, combined — has fallen 26% since the recession began in 2007. That means a $3,400 annual tax savings for a household paying the average national rate and earning the <b>average national household income of $102,000.</b>
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<p>&#8230;Wha? They&#8217;re using the <i>mean</i> income as an example?</p>
<p>Every. Bleeding. Economist. that you might encounter will always use the <i>median</i> as it&#8217;s far more indicative of real income levels, as billionaires tend to skew the mean by a hefty margin.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:
Actually, they are correct, but the news isn&#039;t as rosy as they, and many other pundits of a lefty persuasion, would like to make it out to be.

To wit:

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Taxes paid have fallen much faster than income in this recession. Personal income fell 2% last year. Taxes paid dropped 23%. &lt;b&gt;The BEA classifies Social Security taxes as insurance payments and excludes them from the tax calculation.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So there goes that. They&#039;re also counting the &quot;stimulus&quot; dollars against the average. 

Additionally, with ~10% unemployment and many folks with reduced income levels, far more people fall below the &quot;Pay No Taxes Line&quot; and thus bring the average down.

So: yes, by certain measures, Americans are paying less in taxes than in years past. However, the reasons for it are:

a) Higher unemployment
b) Lower median income
c) Several inconvenient taxes are reassigned to a different classification to avoid the &quot;tax&quot; moniker
d) Lower consumer spending
e) Lower levels of overall economic activity

As I said, the article is true, but its base assumptions are non-obvious and misleading. We&#039;re in Mark Twain &quot;lies, damn lies and statistics&quot; territory here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:<br />
Actually, they are correct, but the news isn&#8217;t as rosy as they, and many other pundits of a lefty persuasion, would like to make it out to be.</p>
<p>To wit:</p>
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Taxes paid have fallen much faster than income in this recession. Personal income fell 2% last year. Taxes paid dropped 23%. <b>The BEA classifies Social Security taxes as insurance payments and excludes them from the tax calculation.</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>So there goes that. They&#8217;re also counting the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; dollars against the average. </p>
<p>Additionally, with ~10% unemployment and many folks with reduced income levels, far more people fall below the &#8220;Pay No Taxes Line&#8221; and thus bring the average down.</p>
<p>So: yes, by certain measures, Americans are paying less in taxes than in years past. However, the reasons for it are:</p>
<p>a) Higher unemployment<br />
b) Lower median income<br />
c) Several inconvenient taxes are reassigned to a different classification to avoid the &#8220;tax&#8221; moniker<br />
d) Lower consumer spending<br />
e) Lower levels of overall economic activity</p>
<p>As I said, the article is true, but its base assumptions are non-obvious and misleading. We&#8217;re in Mark Twain &#8220;lies, damn lies and statistics&#8221; territory here.</p>
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